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Authors' reply to David Elms' discussion of ‘Integrating the liberal arts into the body of knowledge for civil engineering systems engineers’ 作者对David Elms关于“将文科融入土木工程系统工程师的知识体系”的讨论的回复
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980559
G. Masterton
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Discussion of ‘Practical wisdom in an age of computerisation’ by David Blockley David Blockley关于“计算机时代的实用智慧”的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980544
D. Elms
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BOK and terminology BOK和术语
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980543
D. Carmichael
{"title":"BOK and terminology","authors":"D. Carmichael","doi":"10.1080/10286608.2021.1980543","DOIUrl":"https://doi.org/10.1080/10286608.2021.1980543","url":null,"abstract":"To this writer, it seems that a Civil Engineering Systems Body of Knowledge (‘Special Issue’ – Dias and Jowitt, 2020) cannot progress until there is agreement on the meanings of terms. Mature technical disciplines in the sciences, medicine and engineering have been able to develop because there is agreement on the meaning of terms. More recent disciplines such as popular management are not developing, and perhaps even going backwards, because terms are used differently by different people and differently by the same person within the one context; multiple uses and meanings for terms prevent understanding. Without agreement on meaning, the encoding and decoding present in two-way communication goes awry. Lay usage of terms and the multiple definitions found in dictionaries are not suitable for discipline-specific communication; for example, Carmichael (2016) shows the pitfalls with using dictionary meanings when referring to ‘risk’, Carmichael (2020a) highlights the confusion in using the term ‘objective’, and ‘uncertainty’ and ‘problem’ have different meanings among the Special Issue papers. The multiple meanings for words found in dictionaries are exploited by comedians, poets and playwrights, but inhibit a technical discipline’s development. And where English is not a person’s first language, the situation is exacerbated.","PeriodicalId":50689,"journal":{"name":"Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems","volume":null,"pages":null},"PeriodicalIF":1.8,"publicationDate":"2021-10-02","publicationTypes":"Journal Article","fieldsOfStudy":null,"isOpenAccess":false,"openAccessPdf":"","citationCount":null,"resultStr":null,"platform":"Semanticscholar","paperid":"90588482","PeriodicalName":null,"FirstCategoryId":null,"ListUrlMain":null,"RegionNum":3,"RegionCategory":"工程技术","ArticlePicture":[],"TitleCN":null,"AbstractTextCN":null,"PMCID":"","EPubDate":null,"PubModel":null,"JCR":null,"JCRName":null,"Score":null,"Total":0}
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Author's reply to: David Blockley's discussion of the special issue 作者回复:David Blockley对特刊的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980550
D. Carmichael
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At one with systems 与系统一致
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980542
D. Carmichael
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Discussion of Paul Jowitt’s paper ‘Systems and sustainability’ Paul Jowitt论文“系统与可持续性”的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980547
D. Elms
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Discussion of ‘Integrating the liberal arts into the body of knowledge for civil engineering systems engineers’ by Gordon G. T. Masterton and Paul Jeffrey Gordon G. T. Masterton和Paul Jeffrey关于“将文科融入土木工程系统工程师的知识体系”的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980553
D. Elms
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Reply to discussion by D. Blockley of the CEES Special Issue on the body of knowledge for CE systems engineers 回复D. Blockley在CEES特刊上关于CE系统工程师知识体系的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980558
D. Elms
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Response to Discussion by Elms on “Systems and Sustainability” 回应Elms关于“系统与可持续发展”的讨论
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980554
P. Jowitt
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CEES special issue – the body of knowledge for systems 2020 CEES特刊- 2020年系统知识体系
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI: 10.1080/10286608.2021.1980541
D. Blockley
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