Solveig van Nes, Albert Kjartan Dagbjartarson Imsland, Simon R. M. Jones
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The Review [<span>1</span>] shows how the inclusion of this knowledge would reduce uncertainty and improve the accuracy of the system thereby increasing the value of the TLS to wild salmon conservation and aquaculture management.</p><p>As is evident from the referenced literature [<span>1</span>], the suggested inclusion of knowledge and needed improvements to the system are mainly based on substantial and independent research. Key points of uncertainty are the same as described in the annual assessment reports [<span>2, 3</span>] by the expert group (EG), consisting of several of the same authors as listed for the Comment [<span>4</span>]. Key points of critique and suggested improvements also agree with the evaluation by experts appointed by the Norwegian research council [<span>5</span>]. Also, the authors would like to emphasise the Review [<span>1</span>] was subject to extensive scientific peer review prior to publication. Hence, our main findings are scientifically justified and the claim in the Comment [<span>4</span>] that the Review [<span>1</span>] appears ‘biassed’ in evidence and is based on apparent ‘misunderstanding of the literature and the methodology’ is neither scientifically justified nor does it contribute to a constructive scientific debate.</p><p>In relation to smolt migration, the Comment [<span>4</span>] describes the use of extensive data and claims the data referred to in the review [<span>1</span>] are ‘also used by the EG’ to estimate migration times. However, the modelled migration time applied by the EG is derived from selected data limited to observations of 25% smolt emigration [<span>6</span>] and from duration of the migration period being set/fixed to 40 days for all rivers [<span>2, 3</span>]. Whereas the data presented in the Review [<span>1</span>] are based on acoustic tracking of migrating smolt including both progression of emigration (fjord entrance) and progression throughout fjord and over several years and fjords and demonstrate that the majority of the smolt migrate earlier and migration period is significantly shorter in these watercourses. Contrary to the claim in the Comment [<span>4</span>], these extensive data are not included in estimates of migration time in the TLS. Therefore, the Review [<span>1</span>] argues that the period adopted by the TLS both for retrieving observational- (calibration-) data and for modelling effects from lice mortality extends too long into season when lice levels are higher than the levels to which migrating salmon are realistically exposed. The significance of the timing and duration of migration used by the TLS to estimate smolt mortality and as a key source of uncertainty is clearly stated in the annual EG reports [<span>2, 3</span>] and is also emphasised in the article that forms the basis for the applied/modelled migration time [<span>6</span>]. These considerations support our claim that migration time as currently applied for assessment of lice induced mortality is a key source of unreliability in the TLS.</p><p>The Review [<span>1</span>] demonstrates that input data to all models, namely estimates of lice larvae from fish farms are likely overestimates, since these estimates exclude all reducing biological and ecosystem effects on lice on the adult female-, egg- and larval stages described in literature. This in turn can affect the outcome of the models. The Comment [<span>4</span>] states that the Review [<span>1</span>] ‘fails to mention that such possible overestimation is unlikely to bias mortality estimation, as models scale [calibrate] the calculated infestation pressure to observed lice counts on salmon smolts’. Firstly, this claim is incorrect since quite the contrary, the Review [<span>1</span>] elaborates on this and highlights calibration (observational-) data as a point of uncertainty. Secondly, if both input data to the models (estimated lice larvae) and the model calibration data (lice counts on fish) have several sources of unreliability, any counteracting effect as claimed in the Comment [<span>4</span>], would be negated. Uncertainty in the TLS model products in relation to calibration data is also highlighted by the external evaluation committee, which state that some of the calibration data ‘demonstrate high levels of variability and uncertainty’ and that ‘this reliance on calibration data potentially impairs the quality of model products’ [<span>5</span>].</p><p>The Review [<span>1</span>] presents a substantial number of experimental studies that demonstrate a significant reduction in post attachment lice loads prior to development to the more harmful pre-adult stages. Since observed and modelled lice loads form the basis of mortality estimates in all seven assessment end points of the TLS, the review argues this is crucial knowledge of lice biology that must be considered for accurate assessment of lice-induced mortality. The Comment [<span>4</span>] claims that the Review [<span>1</span>] ‘under communicates the uncertainty and over-assesses the most likely magnitude of such loss’. This claim contradicts the EG own practice/scientific opinion, since the EG itself implemented a 40% correction/reduction in the NVI model only recently as an improvement of the model (thus acknowledging the need for correction of the model to increase accuracy) and also state that this change/correction will result in a 40% reduction in mortality estimates for this model. Since reduction in lice load is corrected for in only two of the models, whereas in the remaining five assessment end points of lice-induced mortality assumes that 100% of the infesting lice will stay attached/survive, the claim made in the Review [<span>1</span>] stands correct; the current practice will contribute to overestimates of lice induced smolt mortality.</p><p>The Comment [<span>4</span>] hints at the presence of uninformed conflicts of interest in the Review [<span>1</span>]. This is a serious and unwarranted allegation consistent with the statement that the authors of the Review [<span>1</span>] have ‘misunderstood’ the literature or methodology. All relevant potential conflicts of interest have been honestly and openly stated in the process of publication. There are no competing interests that influence the scientific content of the published review.</p><p>Despite the inclusion of an extensive and independent knowledge base in the Review [<span>1</span>] as well as the alignment of its conclusions with the EG and the external evaluation committee, the Comment [<span>4</span>] argues against all proposed constructive critiques and relevant knowledge that could improve accuracy in key areas of the TLS. 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摘要
评论[4]声称评论[1]“传达了不确定性,并过度评估了这种损失的最可能程度”。这一说法与专家组自己的实践/科学观点相矛盾,因为专家组本身只是在最近才对NVI模型进行了40%的修正/减少,作为对模型的改进(从而承认需要对模型进行修正以提高准确性),并且还声明这种改变/纠正将导致该模型的死亡率估计减少40%。由于只有两个模型对虱子负荷的减少进行了修正,而在其余五个虱子诱发死亡率的评估终点中,假设100%的寄生虱子会附着/存活,因此评论bbb中提出的主张是正确的;目前的做法将导致对虱子引起的幼崽死亡率的高估。评论[4]暗示在评论[1]中存在不知情的利益冲突。这是一个严重且毫无根据的指控,与评论bbb的作者“误解”了文献或方法的说法一致。所有相关的潜在利益冲突已在出版过程中诚实公开地陈述。不存在影响已发表综述的科学内容的竞争利益。尽管在评估[1]中包含了一个广泛而独立的知识库,并且其结论与专家组和外部评估委员会保持一致,但评论[4]反对所有可能提高TLS关键领域准确性的建设性批评和相关知识。回顾审查bbb反映了五位审查者的建议是重要的。Solveig van Nes:概念化;调查;写作——原稿;方法;写作——审阅和编辑;正式的分析;验证。Albert Kjartan Dagbjartarson Imsland:概念化;验证;写作-审阅和编辑,审阅最终稿。西蒙·琼斯:概念化;验证;写作-审阅和编辑,审阅最终稿。
Response to Stige LC, Vollset KW, Diserud O, et al. ‘Comment on Van Nes, Imsland and Jones “Salmon Lice Biology, Environmental Factors, and Smolt Behaviour With Implications for the Norwegian Salmon Farming Management System: A Critical Review”’
The Review [1] demonstrates inaccuracies (uncertainties) in the assumptions and practices in the current aquaculture management system in Norway (the Traffic Light System [TLS]). It includes knowledge relating to lice biology and smolt behaviour which is either not included in the TLS or implemented only to a limited extent. The Review [1] shows how the inclusion of this knowledge would reduce uncertainty and improve the accuracy of the system thereby increasing the value of the TLS to wild salmon conservation and aquaculture management.
As is evident from the referenced literature [1], the suggested inclusion of knowledge and needed improvements to the system are mainly based on substantial and independent research. Key points of uncertainty are the same as described in the annual assessment reports [2, 3] by the expert group (EG), consisting of several of the same authors as listed for the Comment [4]. Key points of critique and suggested improvements also agree with the evaluation by experts appointed by the Norwegian research council [5]. Also, the authors would like to emphasise the Review [1] was subject to extensive scientific peer review prior to publication. Hence, our main findings are scientifically justified and the claim in the Comment [4] that the Review [1] appears ‘biassed’ in evidence and is based on apparent ‘misunderstanding of the literature and the methodology’ is neither scientifically justified nor does it contribute to a constructive scientific debate.
In relation to smolt migration, the Comment [4] describes the use of extensive data and claims the data referred to in the review [1] are ‘also used by the EG’ to estimate migration times. However, the modelled migration time applied by the EG is derived from selected data limited to observations of 25% smolt emigration [6] and from duration of the migration period being set/fixed to 40 days for all rivers [2, 3]. Whereas the data presented in the Review [1] are based on acoustic tracking of migrating smolt including both progression of emigration (fjord entrance) and progression throughout fjord and over several years and fjords and demonstrate that the majority of the smolt migrate earlier and migration period is significantly shorter in these watercourses. Contrary to the claim in the Comment [4], these extensive data are not included in estimates of migration time in the TLS. Therefore, the Review [1] argues that the period adopted by the TLS both for retrieving observational- (calibration-) data and for modelling effects from lice mortality extends too long into season when lice levels are higher than the levels to which migrating salmon are realistically exposed. The significance of the timing and duration of migration used by the TLS to estimate smolt mortality and as a key source of uncertainty is clearly stated in the annual EG reports [2, 3] and is also emphasised in the article that forms the basis for the applied/modelled migration time [6]. These considerations support our claim that migration time as currently applied for assessment of lice induced mortality is a key source of unreliability in the TLS.
The Review [1] demonstrates that input data to all models, namely estimates of lice larvae from fish farms are likely overestimates, since these estimates exclude all reducing biological and ecosystem effects on lice on the adult female-, egg- and larval stages described in literature. This in turn can affect the outcome of the models. The Comment [4] states that the Review [1] ‘fails to mention that such possible overestimation is unlikely to bias mortality estimation, as models scale [calibrate] the calculated infestation pressure to observed lice counts on salmon smolts’. Firstly, this claim is incorrect since quite the contrary, the Review [1] elaborates on this and highlights calibration (observational-) data as a point of uncertainty. Secondly, if both input data to the models (estimated lice larvae) and the model calibration data (lice counts on fish) have several sources of unreliability, any counteracting effect as claimed in the Comment [4], would be negated. Uncertainty in the TLS model products in relation to calibration data is also highlighted by the external evaluation committee, which state that some of the calibration data ‘demonstrate high levels of variability and uncertainty’ and that ‘this reliance on calibration data potentially impairs the quality of model products’ [5].
The Review [1] presents a substantial number of experimental studies that demonstrate a significant reduction in post attachment lice loads prior to development to the more harmful pre-adult stages. Since observed and modelled lice loads form the basis of mortality estimates in all seven assessment end points of the TLS, the review argues this is crucial knowledge of lice biology that must be considered for accurate assessment of lice-induced mortality. The Comment [4] claims that the Review [1] ‘under communicates the uncertainty and over-assesses the most likely magnitude of such loss’. This claim contradicts the EG own practice/scientific opinion, since the EG itself implemented a 40% correction/reduction in the NVI model only recently as an improvement of the model (thus acknowledging the need for correction of the model to increase accuracy) and also state that this change/correction will result in a 40% reduction in mortality estimates for this model. Since reduction in lice load is corrected for in only two of the models, whereas in the remaining five assessment end points of lice-induced mortality assumes that 100% of the infesting lice will stay attached/survive, the claim made in the Review [1] stands correct; the current practice will contribute to overestimates of lice induced smolt mortality.
The Comment [4] hints at the presence of uninformed conflicts of interest in the Review [1]. This is a serious and unwarranted allegation consistent with the statement that the authors of the Review [1] have ‘misunderstood’ the literature or methodology. All relevant potential conflicts of interest have been honestly and openly stated in the process of publication. There are no competing interests that influence the scientific content of the published review.
Despite the inclusion of an extensive and independent knowledge base in the Review [1] as well as the alignment of its conclusions with the EG and the external evaluation committee, the Comment [4] argues against all proposed constructive critiques and relevant knowledge that could improve accuracy in key areas of the TLS. It is important to recall that the Review [1] reflects the recommendations of five reviewers.
Solveig van Nes: conceptualization; investigation; writing – original draft; methodology; writing – review and editing; formal analysis; validation. Albert Kjartan Dagbjartarson Imsland: conceptualization; validation; writing – review and editing, review final draft. Simon R. M. Jones: conceptualization; validation; writing – review and editing, review final draft.
期刊介绍:
Reviews in Aquaculture is a journal that aims to provide a platform for reviews on various aspects of aquaculture science, techniques, policies, and planning. The journal publishes fully peer-reviewed review articles on topics including global, regional, and national production and market trends in aquaculture, advancements in aquaculture practices and technology, interactions between aquaculture and the environment, indigenous and alien species in aquaculture, genetics and its relation to aquaculture, as well as aquaculture product quality and traceability. The journal is indexed and abstracted in several databases including AgBiotech News & Information (CABI), AgBiotechNet, Agricultural Engineering Abstracts, Environment Index (EBSCO Publishing), SCOPUS (Elsevier), and Web of Science (Clarivate Analytics) among others.