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In the clinical setting, also due to problematic overlapping of concepts and debates (e.g. definition and characteristics of ‘repressed memory’ vs. ‘criteria/diagnosis of dissociative amnesia’; see Battista et al., <span>2023</span>; Mangiulli et al., <span>2022</span>), professionals fall for the easy conceptual fallacy (Fukuzako et al., <span>1999</span>) of inferring a cause, for example ‘traumatic experiences’, from the observation in a patient of DSM-5 symptoms that merely correlate with trauma.</p><p>In cognitive neuroscience, scientists are aware of these limitations: in fact, the presence of a relationship between the <i>observed</i> variable (e.g. reporting having suffered a trauma) and the measured outcome (e.g. dissociative amnesia) is not sufficient in determining the causal relationship between two phenomena. Only counterfactual data derived from direct manipulation can suggest causation. 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奥特加尔及其同事令人钦佩地强调了过去研究的优点和不足,同时提出了研究 "精神性失忆症 "及其相关概念以及神经相关性的策略。考虑到各种潜在原因,如起源不清或假装失忆,他们令人信服地主张将精神性失忆症重新定义为 "病因不明的失忆症"(Mazzoni,2019;Vannucci 等人,2015)。正如 Mittenberg 等人(2002 年)所指出的,假装性分离障碍作为一种装病和夸大症状的形式十分普遍,这突出了在研究背景下调查此类因素的重要性。正如我们在其他地方(如 Convertino 等人,2022 年)已经指出的那样,相关性的概念与因果关系的概念截然不同,正如统计相关性的概念与统计因果关系的概念相去甚远一样。尽管数据科学在开发稳健的因果推断策略方面取得了许多进展(Peters 等人,2017 年),但并非所有神经科学研究文献都采用了这些方案,特别是在数据解释阶段,这些方案放大了偏差,进而扭曲了结果,导致错误的结论。此外,有时读者可能会无意中误解,将诚实报告的关联数据解释为因果关系的证据。在临床环境中,同样由于概念重叠和争论不休(如 "压抑记忆 "的定义和特征与 "解离性遗忘症的标准/诊断";见 Battista et al.,2023;Mangiulli et al.,2022),专业人员容易陷入概念谬误(Fukuzako et al、在认知神经科学领域,科学家们意识到了这些局限性:事实上,观察变量(如报告遭受过创伤)与测量结果(如解离性遗忘症)之间存在关系并不足以确定两种现象之间的因果关系。只有通过直接操作获得的反事实数据才能说明因果关系。从这个意义上说,通过实施有创和无创脑部刺激技术,已经取得了重大进展,这些技术能够通过实验操纵脑部功能并测量随之产生的行为结果。正如 Otgaar 及其同事正确指出的那样,由于缺乏反事实证据,对病因不确定的健忘症进行的功能性和/或结构性脑成像研究无法得出具有因果价值的结论。例如,Lyu 等人(2023 年)进行了一项创新性研究,他们通过在特定脑区植入电极,成功诱导了九名患者出现身体自我分离症状。总之,我们同意奥特加尔及其同事的观点,即需要批判性地审视关于极端遗忘的(神经科学)研究,采用透明的研究方法,并意识到向科学界报告和讨论研究结果的责任。
Comment on Otgaar et al.: The neuroscience of dissociative amnesia and repressed memory: Premature conclusions and unanswered questions
Otgaar and colleagues admirably highlight the strengths and weaknesses of past research, while proposing strategies for studying ‘psychogenic amnesia’ and its related concepts, along with their neural correlates. They argue convincingly for redefining psychogenic amnesia as ‘amnesia of uncertain etiology’, considering various potential causes, like unclear origins or feigned memory loss (Mazzoni, 2019; Vannucci et al., 2015). The prevalence of feigned dissociative disorders as a form of malingering and symptom exaggeration, as noted by Mittenberg et al. (2002), underscores the importance of investigating such factors in research contexts.
A central point of Otgaar's contribution, which we extend in this commentary, is the statistical concept of correlation. As already stated elsewhere (e.g. Convertino et al., 2022), the concept of correlation is quite different from the concept of causation, just as the concept of statistical correlation is remote from the concept of statistical causation. Despite many advances in data sciences for the development of robust causal inferential strategies (Peters et al., 2017), not all neuroscientific studies in the literature adopt these options, amplifying biases especially at the data interpretation stage, which in turn distort results and lead to erroneous conclusions.
Moreover, sometimes readers may inadvertently misunderstand, interpreting honestly reported data of associations as evidence of causation. In the clinical setting, also due to problematic overlapping of concepts and debates (e.g. definition and characteristics of ‘repressed memory’ vs. ‘criteria/diagnosis of dissociative amnesia’; see Battista et al., 2023; Mangiulli et al., 2022), professionals fall for the easy conceptual fallacy (Fukuzako et al., 1999) of inferring a cause, for example ‘traumatic experiences’, from the observation in a patient of DSM-5 symptoms that merely correlate with trauma.
In cognitive neuroscience, scientists are aware of these limitations: in fact, the presence of a relationship between the observed variable (e.g. reporting having suffered a trauma) and the measured outcome (e.g. dissociative amnesia) is not sufficient in determining the causal relationship between two phenomena. Only counterfactual data derived from direct manipulation can suggest causation. In this sense, major advances have been obtained through the implementation of invasive and non-invasive brain stimulation techniques capable of experimentally manipulating brain functioning and measuring the consequent behavioural outcomes. As rightly pointed out by Otgaar and colleagues, functional and/or structural brain imaging studies investigating amnesia of uncertain aetiology are unable to reach conclusions with causal value, lacking counterfactual evidence.
Despite these challenges, the neuroscientific literature has made significant efforts trying to overcome the limitations of (correlational) studies. For instance, Lyu et al. (2023) conducted an innovative study where they successfully induced dissociative symptoms of the body self in nine patients through electrode implantation in specific brain regions. By employing neuroimaging, intracranial recordings and direct cortical stimulation, this study represents a substantial step towards unravelling with a correct methodology amnesia-related phenomena.
Conclusively, we agree with Otgaar and colleagues on the need of critically examining (neuroscientific) research on extreme forgetting, applying transparent research practices and being aware of the responsibility in reporting and discussing findings to the scientific community.
期刊介绍:
Legal and Criminological Psychology publishes original papers in all areas of psychology and law: - victimology - policing and crime detection - crime prevention - management of offenders - mental health and the law - public attitudes to law - role of the expert witness - impact of law on behaviour - interviewing and eyewitness testimony - jury decision making - deception The journal publishes papers which advance professional and scientific knowledge defined broadly as the application of psychology to law and interdisciplinary enquiry in legal and psychological fields.