Comment on “Polygonati Rhizoma Prevents Glucocorticoid-Induced Growth Inhibition of Muscle via Promoting Muscle Angiogenesis Through Deoxycholic Acid” by Shi et al.

IF 9.1 1区 医学 Q1 GERIATRICS & GERONTOLOGY
Zhihao Lei
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Key in vivo comparisons involve only <i>n</i> = 8 (AEPR vs. control), <i>n</i> = 10 (MFG vs. control), or <i>n</i> = 7 (DEX vs. DEX + MFG) mice [<span>1</span>]. Such low <i>n</i> values are likely underpowered. The ARRIVE guidelines explicitly warn that “sample sizes that are too small … produce inconclusive results” [<span>4</span>]. Low power not only risks missing real effects but, paradoxically, also inflates the estimated effect size and false positive rate [<span>4, 5</span>]. Button et al. showed that typical small- N neuroscience studies have very low power, meaning that even “a statistically significant result is less likely to reflect a true effect” [<span>5</span>]. Shi et al. do not report any power calculations or justification of group sizes. With n ≈ 7–10, even a <i>p</i> &lt; 0.05 finding should be viewed with caution. It is also unclear whether the multiple t-tests used were corrected for multiple comparisons, further risking spurious significance. 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Abstract

We read with interest the article by Shi et al. [1], which reports that Polygonati Rhizoma (PR) extract and a fructose/glucose mixture (MFG) attenuate dexamethasone-induced muscle growth inhibition by promoting “muscle angiogenesis through deoxycholic acid (DCA)” [1]. While the idea of a gut–muscle axis linking a traditional herbal treatment to muscle perfusion is intriguing, we have significant concerns about the evidence and interpretation. Specifically, the proposed mechanistic chain (PR → gut microbiota → DCA → TGR5 → cAMP/PKA/CREB → VEGF → angiogenesis → muscle growth) is largely speculative, the experiments are underpowered, statistical support is weak, the “active component mimic” MFG is undefined, and correlations are overstated as causation. We outline our main points below.

First, the mechanistic cascade proposed by Shi et al. is inadequately supported. The authors claim MFG “upregulated VEGFs expression and promoted muscle angiogenesis via the TGR5/cAMP/PKA/pCREB pathway” [1], implying a causal link from gut-derived DCA to muscle VEGF. However, the data are purely correlative. No functional experiments (e.g., DCA supplementation or TGR5 inhibition) were performed to prove any step. Emerging research on the “gut–muscle axis” warns that microbiota-muscle associations are not proof of mechanism. For example, a recent review notes that although gut microbes correlate with sarcopenia risk, “whether the microbiome is the cause of the disease or simply a mediator … is debatable” [2]. More broadly, microbiome studies are now emphasizing the need to move beyond associations to demonstrate causality [3]. In Shi et al., PR/MFG treatments were found to raise intestinal DCA and abundance of Collinsella aerofaciens (p = 0.096) [1], and muscle VEGF gene signatures were higher. But without intervening on DCA or TGR5, these observations remain hypothesis-generating at best. As noted by the authors themselves, muscle angiogenesis involves complex, multilevel regulation [1]; assuming that a change in one bile acid automatically drives the entire VEGF → angiogenesis program is an overreach.

Second, the sample sizes are very small. Key in vivo comparisons involve only n = 8 (AEPR vs. control), n = 10 (MFG vs. control), or n = 7 (DEX vs. DEX + MFG) mice [1]. Such low n values are likely underpowered. The ARRIVE guidelines explicitly warn that “sample sizes that are too small … produce inconclusive results” [4]. Low power not only risks missing real effects but, paradoxically, also inflates the estimated effect size and false positive rate [4, 5]. Button et al. showed that typical small- N neuroscience studies have very low power, meaning that even “a statistically significant result is less likely to reflect a true effect” [5]. Shi et al. do not report any power calculations or justification of group sizes. With n ≈ 7–10, even a p < 0.05 finding should be viewed with caution. It is also unclear whether the multiple t-tests used were corrected for multiple comparisons, further risking spurious significance. In sum, the statistical power of these experiments appears insufficient to robustly test the complex hypotheses advanced.

Third, several reported p-values are marginal and need careful interpretation. For example, Shi et al. note that MFG “increased the abundance of C. aerofaciens as measured by DNA concentration” (0.80 vs. 0.24 pg./μL) but report p = 0.096 [1]. This is above the conventional 0.05 threshold, so it should not be deemed statistically significant. Yet the text implies a biological difference. Similarly, the DCA increase (log_2 intensity 25.41 vs. 22.69) is reported with p < 0.05 [1], but with n = 7 and no mention of variability of DCA levels, the robustness is questionable. In small-sample studies, p-values near 0.05 are notoriously fickle [5]. One review emphasizes that underpowered experiments often yield significant p-values that overestimate the true effect [4]. In the absence of confidence intervals or replication, the borderline p-values in [1] do not inspire confidence. We suggest that the authors should either increase sample sizes or employ stricter statistical criteria (e.g., lower α or adjusting for multiple tests) before drawing strong conclusions.

Fourth, the definition of MFG as an “active component mimic” of PR is vague and unsupported [1]. PR extract contains a mixture of sugars, polysaccharides, glycosides, etc., as is common for herbal preparations. The authors state that PR is “rich in fructose” [1] and therefore use a 50:50 fructose/glucose mix (MFG) to represent its effect. But they provide no evidence that fructose and glucose are the relevant bioactive factors. In fact, PR has many reported constituents (e.g., saponins, polysaccharides) with unknown activity. Standard pharmacological practice would require isolating and chemically characterizing the active compound(s) in PR and then testing them individually [6]. As one review notes, lack of quality control in herbal products leads to “inconsistent levels of active compounds … and variable therapeutic effects” [6]. Without any chemical analysis or reference standards, treating MFG as if it were PR's “active ingredient” is speculative. It remains entirely possible that some other PR component, not represented by simple sugars, mediates the effects. We therefore find the reliance on MFG without validation to be a major weakness in attributing PR's action to dietary sugars.

Finally, the manuscript tends to interpret correlations as causal evidence. For instance, the authors conclude that MFG “mitigates muscle growth inhibition by modulating gut microbiota and enhancing muscle angiogenesis” [1]. Yet the data only show that MFG associates with higher intestinal DCA and muscle mass. As noted above, the causal link (DCA → TGR5 → VEGF→growth) is inferred but not tested. In microbiome studies, it is well recognized that associations alone cannot establish mechanism [3]. To demonstrate that DCA drives muscle effects would require additional experiments, such as treating mice with DCA directly or blocking its receptor (TGR5) and observing the outcome on VEGF and muscle. Without such data, phrases like “DCA-activated TGR5 pathway” are premature. We therefore urge caution: the observations in [1] are hypothesis-generating but do not prove the proposed causal chain.

In conclusion, while Shi et al. present an intriguing hypothesis, the current data do not firmly substantiate it. We recommend that future studies employ larger cohorts with appropriate power calculations, include biochemical validation of proposed active compounds, and use interventional designs to test causality along the pathway. For example, confirming that exogenous DCA or blocking TGR5 alters muscle angiogenesis would greatly strengthen the claims. Such steps would help ensure that the purported PR → gut→muscle mechanism is supported by clear causal evidence. We believe that pursuing these rigorous approaches will advance this line of inquiry more convincingly.

The author declares no conflicts of interest.

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对Shi等人“黄精通过脱氧胆酸促进肌肉血管生成,防止糖皮质激素诱导的肌肉生长抑制”的评论。
我们饶有兴趣地阅读了Shi et al. b[1]的文章,该文章报道了黄精(PR)提取物和果糖/葡萄糖混合物(MFG)通过促进“通过脱氧胆酸(DCA)的肌肉血管生成”[1]来减弱地塞米松诱导的肌肉生长抑制。虽然肠道-肌肉轴将传统草药治疗与肌肉灌注联系起来的想法很有趣,但我们对证据和解释存在重大担忧。具体来说,提出的机制链(PR→肠道微生物群→DCA→TGR5→cAMP/PKA/CREB→VEGF→血管生成→肌肉生长)在很大程度上是推测性的,实验能力不足,统计支持薄弱,“活性成分模拟”MFG未定义,相关性被夸大为因果关系。我们在下面概述了我们的要点。首先,Shi等人提出的机械级联理论没有得到充分的支持。作者声称MFG“通过TGR5/cAMP/PKA/pCREB通路上调VEGF表达并促进肌肉血管生成”[1],这意味着肠道来源的DCA与肌肉VEGF之间存在因果关系。然而,数据是完全相关的。没有进行功能实验(例如,DCA补充或TGR5抑制)来证明任何步骤。关于“肠道-肌肉轴”的新兴研究警告说,微生物群-肌肉的关联并不能证明其机制。例如,最近的一篇综述指出,尽管肠道微生物与肌肉减少症的风险相关,但“微生物群是导致疾病的原因还是仅仅是一种媒介……是有争议的”。更广泛地说,微生物组研究现在强调需要超越关联来证明因果关系。Shi等人发现,PR/MFG处理可提高肠道DCA和气面Collinsella aerofaciens的丰度(p = 0.096),且肌肉中VEGF基因特征更高。但在不干预DCA或TGR5的情况下,这些观察结果充其量只是假设。正如作者自己所指出的,肌肉血管生成涉及复杂的、多层次的调控[1];假设一种胆汁酸的变化会自动驱动整个血管生长因子→血管生成程序是过分的。其次,样本量很小。关键的体内比较仅涉及n = 8 (AEPR与对照组),n = 10 (MFG与对照组)或n = 7 (DEX与DEX + MFG)小鼠[1]。如此低的n值可能是动力不足。ARRIVE指南明确警告说,“样本量太小……会产生不确定的结果”。低功率不仅有可能错过实际效果,而且矛盾的是,还会夸大估计的效果大小和假阳性率[4,5]。Button等人表明,典型的小N神经科学研究具有非常低的功效,这意味着即使是“统计上显著的结果也不太可能反映出真实的效果”[5]。Shi等人没有报告任何权力计算或群体规模的论证。当n≈7-10时,即使p &lt; 0.05的发现也应谨慎看待。还不清楚使用的多重t检验是否针对多重比较进行了修正,从而进一步冒着虚假显著性的风险。总之,这些实验的统计能力似乎不足以有力地检验所提出的复杂假设。第三,一些报告的p值是边缘的,需要仔细解释。例如,Shi等人注意到,MFG“通过DNA浓度测量,增加了气促梭菌的丰度”(0.80比0.24 pg)。/μL),但报告p = 0.096[1]。这高于常规的0.05阈值,因此不应认为具有统计显著性。然而,文本暗示了生物学上的差异。同样,在p &lt; 0.05[1]时,报告了DCA增加(log_2强度25.41 vs. 22.69),但当n = 7且未提及DCA水平的变异性时,其稳健性值得怀疑。在小样本研究中,p值接近0.05是出了名的不稳定。一篇综述强调,功率不足的实验往往产生显著的p值,高估了真实效果b[4]。在没有置信区间或重复的情况下,[1]中的边界p值不能激发信心。我们建议作者在得出强有力的结论之前,要么增加样本量,要么采用更严格的统计标准(例如,降低α或调整多个测试)。第四,将MFG定义为PR的“主动组件模仿者”是模糊的,而且没有得到支持。PR提取物含有糖、多糖、糖苷等的混合物,这是常见的草药制剂。作者指出,PR“富含果糖”,因此使用50:50的果糖/葡萄糖混合物(MFG)来表示其效果。但他们没有提供证据表明果糖和葡萄糖是相关的生物活性因子。事实上,有许多报道的成分(如皂苷、多糖)具有未知的活性。标准的药理学实践将要求分离和化学表征PR中的活性化合物,然后单独测试它们。
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Journal of Cachexia Sarcopenia and Muscle
Journal of Cachexia Sarcopenia and Muscle MEDICINE, GENERAL & INTERNAL-
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234
审稿时长
16 weeks
期刊介绍: The Journal of Cachexia, Sarcopenia and Muscle is a peer-reviewed international journal dedicated to publishing materials related to cachexia and sarcopenia, as well as body composition and its physiological and pathophysiological changes across the lifespan and in response to various illnesses from all fields of life sciences. The journal aims to provide a reliable resource for professionals interested in related research or involved in the clinical care of affected patients, such as those suffering from AIDS, cancer, chronic heart failure, chronic lung disease, liver cirrhosis, chronic kidney failure, rheumatoid arthritis, or sepsis.
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