Response to Second Letter on Response Letter Regarding “An Artificial Neural Network-Based Model to Predict Chronic Kidney Disease in Aged Cats”

IF 2.1 2区 农林科学 Q1 VETERINARY SCIENCES
Vincent Biourge, Sebastien Delmotte, Alexandre Feugier, Richard Bradley, Molly McAllister, Jonathan Elliott
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Abstract

We are sorry to have disappointed Dr. Wun in not providing him with the numerical information he requested. Our answer did focus on the rationale of our model, which was intended to predict as accurately as possible which cats would progress to azotemic CKD within 12 months of the initial screening in field conditions. We have expanded upon our previous reply in this letter.

Defining what constitutes early kidney disease is not straightforward, and key opinion leaders from the IRIS group offer a number of possible definitions, no doubt because none of these on their own is perfect. In our study, we took the approach of using a subsequent conventional diagnosis of azotemic CKD (based on our laboratory's reference interval for serum creatinine concentration together with USG < 1.035) within 12 months of a single screening event to indicate that, at the screening event, the cat had subclinical early CKD. In our opinion, this is an unambiguous definition of early CKD, whereas most other ways of defining early CKD, without subsequent follow-up confirming a conventional diagnosis of CKD, carry a degree of uncertainty about whether these cats will continue to lose kidney function over time.

Dr. Wun cites Brans et al. (2021) as evidence that a serum creatinine concentration of 1.76 mg/dL has a 92.9% specificity for borderline low GFR (< 1.7 mL/kg/min). This study, which focused on comparing the ability of serum SDMA and creatinine concentrations to identify cats with “borderline low GFR,” included 17 clinically healthy cats with no mention of how their kidney function progressed over time. The “borderline low GFR” definition was based on a previously published study from the same group, which involved 16 healthy clinically normal cats. Such small numbers would not be sufficient to establish a robust reference interval, and using this data to define a cutoff value of serum creatinine concentration with a given sensitivity and specificity to diagnose CKD early seems flawed to us.

Measurement of GFR in clinical practice is laborious and, despite a number of published studies, what constitutes a normal GFR and the variations that occur in a large population of healthy cats are not well defined. If it were, the IRIS group would have adopted GFR to define the stages of CKD and thus better define the non-azotemic stages. Importantly, the variation in GFR within the same cat when measured multiple times remains to be clearly defined. This variation needs to be understood before serial GFR measurements could be used to document deteriorating kidney function over time in early-stage CKD.

Our study was designed to help veterinarians in primary care practice make better use of health screening data to identify cats with a high likelihood of developing azotemic CKD within 12 months of a single visit. Data from 218 healthy cats screened and followed prospectively were analyzed by an artificial neural network to build models that identified those cats that developed azotemic CKD within 12 months. The model with the highest accuracy was tested and further refined using data from another 3546 cats.

If we just used a serum creatinine concentration range > 1.6 but < 1.9 mg/dL to predict which cats in our validation dataset developed azotemic CKD (serum creatinine concentration persistently > 2 mg/dL within 12 months), only 305 of the 1521 cats would be correctly identified. Furthermore, 438 cats out of the 2025 that did not develop azotemic CKD would be incorrectly predicted by using the same serum creatinine concentration range. Thus, this method, when used on our dataset, gave a specificity of 78.4%, but a sensitivity of only 20.1%. To improve the sensitivity of using only serum creatinine concentration would lower specificity, which is always the trade-off. With our published model setting the thresholds to maximize both sensitivity and specificity, we were able to achieve a sensitivity of 87% while maintaining a specificity of 70%. Early diagnosis of CKD, which does not lead to any treatment that carries a risk of harm if applied to patients without the disease, merits models that maximize sensitivity even though doing so may compromise specificity.

We hope that our explanations in response to Dr. Wun's second letter add to the debate on how clinically relevant early CKD can be more readily recognized.

Yours sincerely,

对“基于人工神经网络的模型预测老年猫慢性肾脏疾病”回复函第二封信的回复
很抱歉,我们没有向温博士提供他所要求的数字信息,这让他很失望。我们的答案确实集中在我们模型的基本原理上,该模型旨在尽可能准确地预测哪些猫会在现场条件下进行初步筛选后的12个月内发展为azozed CKD。在这封信中,我们对先前的答复作了补充。定义什么是早期肾脏疾病并不简单,IRIS小组的主要意见领袖提供了许多可能的定义,毫无疑问,因为这些定义本身都不是完美的。在我们的研究中,我们采用了在单次筛查事件后12个月内对azotemic CKD进行常规诊断的方法(基于我们实验室的血清肌酐浓度参考区间和usg1.035),以表明在筛查事件中,猫患有亚临床早期CKD。在我们看来,这是早期CKD的明确定义,而大多数其他定义早期CKD的方法,没有后续随访确认CKD的常规诊断,对于这些猫是否会随着时间的推移继续丧失肾功能存在一定程度的不确定性。Wun引用Brans等人(2021)的证据表明,血清肌酐浓度为1.76 mg/dL对边缘性低GFR (< 1.7 mL/kg/min)具有92.9%的特异性。这项研究的重点是比较血清SDMA和肌酐浓度识别“边缘性低GFR”猫的能力,研究对象包括17只临床健康的猫,没有提及它们的肾脏功能随着时间的推移如何进展。“边缘低GFR”的定义是基于先前发表的一项研究,该研究涉及16只临床正常的健康猫。如此小的数据不足以建立一个可靠的参考区间,并且使用这些数据来定义具有给定敏感性和特异性的血清肌酐浓度的临界值来早期诊断CKD对我们来说似乎是有缺陷的。在临床实践中测量GFR是很困难的,尽管发表了许多研究,但什么是正常的GFR以及在大量健康猫中发生的变化并没有很好地定义。如果是这样,IRIS组将采用GFR来定义CKD的分期,从而更好地定义非氮化分期。重要的是,同一只猫多次测量时GFR的变化仍有待明确定义。在连续GFR测量可用于记录早期CKD中肾功能随时间的恶化之前,需要了解这种变化。我们的研究旨在帮助兽医在初级保健实践中更好地利用健康筛查数据,在单次就诊的12个月内识别出极有可能发展为azosiic CKD的猫。通过人工神经网络对筛选和前瞻性随访的218只健康猫的数据进行分析,以建立模型,识别那些在12个月内患上azotic CKD的猫。使用另外3546只猫的数据测试并进一步完善了精度最高的模型。如果我们只使用血清肌酐浓度范围(1.6 ~ 1.9 mg/dL)来预测验证数据集中哪些猫患上了azotemic CKD(12个月内血清肌酐浓度持续为2 mg/dL),那么1521只猫中只有305只会被正确识别。此外,如果使用相同的血清肌酐浓度范围,2025只猫中有438只没有发生azotemic CKD,这将是错误的预测。因此,该方法在我们的数据集上使用时,特异性为78.4%,但灵敏度仅为20.1%。单纯使用血清肌酐浓度来提高敏感性会降低特异性,这往往是一种取舍。通过我们发表的模型设置阈值以最大化敏感性和特异性,我们能够实现87%的敏感性,同时保持70%的特异性。CKD的早期诊断,如果应用于没有疾病的患者,不会导致任何有伤害风险的治疗,值得最大限度地提高敏感性的模型,即使这样做可能会损害特异性。我们希望我们对Wun博士第二封信的回应能够增加关于如何更容易识别临床相关的早期CKD的争论。你的真诚,
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期刊介绍: The mission of the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine is to advance veterinary medical knowledge and improve the lives of animals by publication of authoritative scientific articles of animal diseases.
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