区域麻醉和增强恢复:我们需要更多的数据

K. El-Boghdadly, J. M. Jack, A. Heaney, Nickolis Black, Marina F Englesakis, H. Kehlet, V. Chan
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我们感谢Koning和Teunissen博士对我们的研究感兴趣。他们强调了话语的重点。首先,我们感谢作者强调了Koning等人和Wongyingsinn等人的研究可能不明确的描述,他们确实比较了鞘内阿片类药物与对照的脊髓镇痛。重要的是,我们恰当地分析了这些研究,尽管描述可能并不清楚。我们也同意Wongyingsinn等人被纳入分析和解释,在稿件修订中删除了所有只包括LOS≤5天的研究后,Wongyingsinn的一项研究没有被纳入图2和图3。这对我们的研究结果没有影响。其次,Koning和Teunissen博士强调了文献中的一个重要空白。他们指出,结肠直肠手术的鞘内阿片类药物剂量应在200-300 μg的范围内,但提出的唯一证据表明,这是一个适当的剂量是在1993年发表的,早在引入术后增强恢复(ERAS)之前。这些数据的相关性尚不确定。已发表的支持在下肢手术中使用低剂量阿片类药物的证据在副作用方面仍然适用,因为这些副作用与手术无关,但更依赖于鞘内吗啡剂量本身。鉴于目前仍缺乏证据支持结直肠手术中任何剂量范围,而且副作用也不是特定于手术的,在有可靠的安全性和有效性数据支持之前,我们尊重地不同意高剂量的建议。第三,Koning和Teusnissen博士认为我们的结论“腹腔镜手术硬膜外镇痛后可能延长的LOS有点夸大了”。这一论点的基础是模棱两可的。首先,我们在表2中明确指出,证据的确定性非常低,并且没有证据表明硬膜外镇痛可以改善LOS。我们在文中进一步声明,结果在统计上不显著。此外,我们强调,由于潜在的延长LOS的原因,以及延迟活动和并发症,脊髓镇痛应该得到支持。综合来看,这是对数据的一种温和解释。也就是说,我们确实同意减轻疼痛和镇痛的不良反应是重要的,但硬膜外镇痛对这些结果的风险表明,脊髓镇痛等替代方法可能更适合腹腔镜设置。值得注意的是,Koning和Teusnissen博士继续推荐鞘内吗啡作为金标准,从而同意我们的结论。最后,我们感谢Koning和Teusnissen博士同意LOS>5天的研究可能无法转移到当代实践中,并鼓励在此背景下进行进一步研究,特别是关注区域麻醉技术的模式和剂量。我们鼓励就这一主题进行进一步的对话,目的是了解区域麻醉在ERAS中的真正作用,并继续改善患者的预后。
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Regional anesthesia and enhanced recovery: we need more data
To the Editor We thank Drs Koning and Teunissen for their interest in our study. 2 They highlight important points for discourse. First, we thank the authors for highlighting potentially unclear descriptions of studies by Koning et al and Wongyingsinn et al, which did indeed compare spinal analgesia with intrathecal opioid versus control. Importantly, we analyzed the studies appropriately, though the description may have been unclear. We also agree that Wongyingsinn et al were included in the analysis and interpretation, and after removing all studies that only include length of stay (LOS) ≤5 days in the manuscript revisions, one of the Wongyingsinn studies was not included in figures 2 and 3. This had no impact on our findings. Second, Drs Koning and Teunissen highlight an important gap in the literature. They state that intrathecal opioid dosing for colorectal surgery should be in the range of 200–300 μg, but the only evidence presented that this is an appropriate dose was published in 1993, long before the introduction of enhanced recovery after surgery (ERAS). The relevance of these data is uncertain. The evidence published to support a lower dose of opioids in lower limb surgery remains applicable in terms of adverse effects, as these are independent of surgery but rather dependent on the intrathecal morphine dose itself. Given that there remains a dearth of evidence to support any dose ranges in colorectal surgery and the sideeffect profile is not procedure specific, we respectfully disagree with the suggestion of high doses until robust safety and efficacy data support it. Third, Drs Koning and Teusnissen argue our conclusion that “the possible prolonged LOS after epidural analgesia in laparoscopic surgery is a bit overstated”. The basis of this argument is ambiguous. First, we clearly state in table 2 that the certainty of evidence is very low and that there was no evidence of improved LOS with epidural analgesia. We further state in the text that the results were not statistically significant. Moreover, we highlight that for reasons of potentially prolonged LOS, along with delayed mobilization and complications, spinal analgesia should be favored. Taken together, this is a tempered interpretation of the data. That said, we do agree that reducing pain and adverse effects of analgesia are important, but the risks of epidural analgesia on these outcomes suggest that an alternative such as spinal analgesia may be more suitable in laparoscopic settings. Notably, Drs Koning and Teusnissen go on to recommend intrathecal morphine as the gold standard, thereby agreeing with our conclusions. Finally, we thank Drs Koning and Teusnissen for agreeing that studies with a LOS>5 days may not be transferable to contemporary practice and also encourage further studies in this setting, particularly looking at the mode and dosing of regional anesthetic techniques. We encourage further dialogue on this subject with the aims of both understanding the true role of regional anesthesia in the setting of ERAS and continuing to improve patient outcomes.
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