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I submit that the often used editorial decision to “revise and resubmit” does nothing but feed an already broken system (McCook 2006, Lortie 2013). It is my assertion that in most cases “revise and resubmit” is simply a dramatic version of “major revisions.” “Major revisions” does not imply that a paper will eventually be accepted. As an author, I do not treat a paper that has been given the moniker of “revise and resubmit” any differently than one needing “major revisions.” One issue with “revise and resubmit” is that there is often no specific space or mechanism by which to upload and share the list of revisions with potential referees. That is, because it is treated as a new submission, the referees may not have access to the article history, meaning that the efforts taken by authors to document changes are somewhat moot, and time of both authors and referees can be wasted (if, for example, an author rebuts a criticism but the paper is again criticized by the same or a new referee for the same issue). This of course assumes that a paper that is revised and resubmitted actually goes to peer review. As a co-author, I recently had a paper “rejected with invitation to resubmit” with it being explicitly noted by the editor that it was a “rapid publication journal.” What does that mean? Well, in our case, it meant that the revised (new) manuscript was not sent for peer review and was simply accepted 4 days later. On the paper, it clearly shows that the paper was received on December 13 th and accepted on December 17 th . We never received any reviews, nor were required to respond to any science-based editorial queries (we did have to change a figure because photo quality was insufficient). So—I would argue that another statistic that should be tracked is the number of submissions that are accepted without being sent for external peer review. Using the same hokey accounting system of the journal to rack up extra rejections, I would knock them down for papers accepted without peer review. Isn’t real peer review by external experts the foundation for our modern peer review system (Rowland 2002)? As an editor, I use the “revise and resubmit” decision sparingly because I do not wish to play games—and especially because I want to keep all journal correspondence regarding a given submission together in a single, easy-to-access and cross-referenced digital file. Interestingly, “revise and resubmit” is a common selection by referees, perhaps because they are so used to receiving the same decision on their work. I would also submit that the “revise and resubmit” decision is exceedingly confusing to early career researchers (Schäfer et al. 2011). As we try to welcome them into a community based on critical analysis intended to improve scientific research and outputs, why confuse them and make them party to nonsensical games? As an","PeriodicalId":42755,"journal":{"name":"Ideas in Ecology and Evolution","volume":"7 1","pages":""},"PeriodicalIF":0.2000,"publicationDate":"2014-07-22","publicationTypes":"Journal Article","fieldsOfStudy":null,"isOpenAccess":false,"openAccessPdf":"https://sci-hub-pdf.com/10.4033/IEE.2014.7.13.E","citationCount":"0","resultStr":"{\"title\":\"Reject, Revise, and Resubmit — Please…\",\"authors\":\"S. Cooke\",\"doi\":\"10.4033/IEE.2014.7.13.E\",\"DOIUrl\":null,\"url\":null,\"abstract\":\"Seriously—PLEASE! 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I submit that the often used editorial decision to “revise and resubmit” does nothing but feed an already broken system (McCook 2006, Lortie 2013). It is my assertion that in most cases “revise and resubmit” is simply a dramatic version of “major revisions.” “Major revisions” does not imply that a paper will eventually be accepted. As an author, I do not treat a paper that has been given the moniker of “revise and resubmit” any differently than one needing “major revisions.” One issue with “revise and resubmit” is that there is often no specific space or mechanism by which to upload and share the list of revisions with potential referees. That is, because it is treated as a new submission, the referees may not have access to the article history, meaning that the efforts taken by authors to document changes are somewhat moot, and time of both authors and referees can be wasted (if, for example, an author rebuts a criticism but the paper is again criticized by the same or a new referee for the same issue). This of course assumes that a paper that is revised and resubmitted actually goes to peer review. As a co-author, I recently had a paper “rejected with invitation to resubmit” with it being explicitly noted by the editor that it was a “rapid publication journal.” What does that mean? Well, in our case, it meant that the revised (new) manuscript was not sent for peer review and was simply accepted 4 days later. On the paper, it clearly shows that the paper was received on December 13 th and accepted on December 17 th . We never received any reviews, nor were required to respond to any science-based editorial queries (we did have to change a figure because photo quality was insufficient). So—I would argue that another statistic that should be tracked is the number of submissions that are accepted without being sent for external peer review. Using the same hokey accounting system of the journal to rack up extra rejections, I would knock them down for papers accepted without peer review. Isn’t real peer review by external experts the foundation for our modern peer review system (Rowland 2002)? As an editor, I use the “revise and resubmit” decision sparingly because I do not wish to play games—and especially because I want to keep all journal correspondence regarding a given submission together in a single, easy-to-access and cross-referenced digital file. Interestingly, “revise and resubmit” is a common selection by referees, perhaps because they are so used to receiving the same decision on their work. I would also submit that the “revise and resubmit” decision is exceedingly confusing to early career researchers (Schäfer et al. 2011). As we try to welcome them into a community based on critical analysis intended to improve scientific research and outputs, why confuse them and make them party to nonsensical games? 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Seriously-PLEASE !期刊希望我们修改和重新提交被拒绝的论文,因为这在两个方面对他们有利。首先,它给人一种错觉,认为这些期刊是有高度选择性的,先是拒绝了文章,然后又作为新投稿接受了它。拒稿率的增加以某种扭曲的方式增加了声望,似乎也吸引了更多的论文。事实上,Wardle(2012)指出,生态学和进化领域的期刊接受率正在“直线下降”。这可能是过度使用“拒绝、修改和重新提交”的产物吗?其次,它扭曲了从提交到第一次和最终编辑决定之间的时间统计。同样,这些信息通常通过期刊广告材料与潜在的作者共享,从而吸引了作者,因为人们可以期待他们的论文被处理得很快。我认为,经常使用的“修改和重新提交”的编辑决定只会让一个已经破碎的系统更加脆弱(McCook 2006, Lortie 2013)。我断言,在大多数情况下,“修改并重新提交”只是“主要修改”的戏剧性版本。“重大修改”并不意味着论文最终会被接受。作为一名作者,我不会把一篇被冠以“修改再提交”的论文与一篇需要“大修”的论文区别对待。“修改并重新提交”的一个问题是,通常没有特定的空间或机制来上传并与潜在的审稿人分享修改列表。也就是说,由于它被视为新提交,审稿人可能无法访问文章的历史记录,这意味着作者为记录更改所做的努力在某种程度上是没有意义的,并且作者和审稿人的时间都可能被浪费(例如,如果作者反驳了批评,但论文再次被同一或同一问题的新审稿人批评)。当然,这是假设一篇经过修改和重新提交的论文实际上是经过同行评审的。作为一名合著者,我最近有一篇论文“被拒绝重新提交”,编辑明确指出这是一篇“快速出版期刊”。这是什么意思?嗯,在我们的例子中,这意味着修改后的(新)手稿没有发送给同行评审,而是在4天后被接受。在论文上,清楚地显示论文于12月13日收到,12月17日接受。我们从未收到任何评论,也没有被要求回应任何基于科学的编辑询问(由于照片质量不足,我们不得不更改一个数字)。因此,我认为应该跟踪的另一个统计数据是未发送给外部同行评审的被接受的提交数量。我会用杂志同样虚伪的会计系统来收集额外的拒绝,因为没有经过同行评议就被接受了。外部专家的同行评议不是现代同行评议体系的基础吗(Rowland 2002)?作为一名编辑,我很少使用“修改和重新提交”的决定,因为我不想玩游戏,尤其是因为我想把所有关于给定提交的日志通信保存在一个单一的、易于访问和交叉引用的数字文件中。有趣的是,“修改并重新提交”是推荐人的常见选择,也许是因为他们已经习惯了收到相同的决定。我还认为,“修改并重新提交”的决定对早期职业研究人员来说非常令人困惑(Schäfer et al. 2011)。当我们试着欢迎他们进入一个基于批判性分析的社区,旨在提高科学研究和产出时,为什么要让他们感到困惑,让他们参与荒谬的游戏?作为一个
Seriously—PLEASE! Journals want us to revise and resubmit papers that are rejected because it benefits them in two specific ways. First, it gives the illusion that the journals are highly selective by rejecting material and then accepting it later as a new submission. The rejection rate increases which increases prestige in some twisted way which also seems to attract papers in greater numbers. Indeed, Wardle (2012) notes that journal acceptance rates in ecology and evolution are “plummeting”. Could that be an artefact of excessive use of “reject, revise and resubmit”? Second, it skews the statistics for time between submission and both first and final editorial decision. Again, this information is shared with potential authors, often via journal advertising material, thus attracting authors given the apparent rapidity in which one can expect their paper to be handled. I submit that the often used editorial decision to “revise and resubmit” does nothing but feed an already broken system (McCook 2006, Lortie 2013). It is my assertion that in most cases “revise and resubmit” is simply a dramatic version of “major revisions.” “Major revisions” does not imply that a paper will eventually be accepted. As an author, I do not treat a paper that has been given the moniker of “revise and resubmit” any differently than one needing “major revisions.” One issue with “revise and resubmit” is that there is often no specific space or mechanism by which to upload and share the list of revisions with potential referees. That is, because it is treated as a new submission, the referees may not have access to the article history, meaning that the efforts taken by authors to document changes are somewhat moot, and time of both authors and referees can be wasted (if, for example, an author rebuts a criticism but the paper is again criticized by the same or a new referee for the same issue). This of course assumes that a paper that is revised and resubmitted actually goes to peer review. As a co-author, I recently had a paper “rejected with invitation to resubmit” with it being explicitly noted by the editor that it was a “rapid publication journal.” What does that mean? Well, in our case, it meant that the revised (new) manuscript was not sent for peer review and was simply accepted 4 days later. On the paper, it clearly shows that the paper was received on December 13 th and accepted on December 17 th . We never received any reviews, nor were required to respond to any science-based editorial queries (we did have to change a figure because photo quality was insufficient). So—I would argue that another statistic that should be tracked is the number of submissions that are accepted without being sent for external peer review. Using the same hokey accounting system of the journal to rack up extra rejections, I would knock them down for papers accepted without peer review. Isn’t real peer review by external experts the foundation for our modern peer review system (Rowland 2002)? As an editor, I use the “revise and resubmit” decision sparingly because I do not wish to play games—and especially because I want to keep all journal correspondence regarding a given submission together in a single, easy-to-access and cross-referenced digital file. Interestingly, “revise and resubmit” is a common selection by referees, perhaps because they are so used to receiving the same decision on their work. I would also submit that the “revise and resubmit” decision is exceedingly confusing to early career researchers (Schäfer et al. 2011). As we try to welcome them into a community based on critical analysis intended to improve scientific research and outputs, why confuse them and make them party to nonsensical games? As an