回复Redsell等人

Q3 Medicine
Louis Jacob, Josep Maria Haro, Lee Smith, Ai Koyanagi
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The analyses showed that after adjustment for the aforementioned confounders, compared to IQ scores of 120–129, IQ scores of 110–119 (odds ratio [OR] = 1.16), 100–109 (OR = 1.35), 90–99 (OR = 1.26), 80–89 (OR = 1.68), and 70–79 (OR = 1.72) were associated with increased odds for obesity. Furthermore, a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10-fold increase in the odds for obesity. We went on to discuss the findings (i.e., the potential mechanisms that could explain the IQ–obesity relationship) in the context of the limitations of the study and concluded that there was a negative association between IQ and obesity in the UK population.</p><p>Correlates of health outcomes and behaviors can either be modifiable (e.g., physical activity level) or nonmodifiable (e.g., IQ). Modifiable correlates inform targets for change in interventions (such as increasing levels of physical activity) and nonmodifiable correlates inform populations who should be targeted for intervention (such as those with a low IQ in obesity prevention).<span><sup>1</sup></span> These people with characteristics which may not be modifiable can also benefit from lifestyle interventions as they may be more likely to engage in lifestyle factors, which can lead to adverse health outcomes. In our study, which found that low IQ is associated with obesity, we discuss the potential contribution of lifestyle factors in this association. Identifying both types of correlates in terms of health behavior is essential for successful and targeted intervention. In this context, the present paper perfectly fits into the scope of “Lifestyle Medicine.”</p><p>It is not, nor ever has been our intention to fuel inappropriate perceptions of anyone in society. Indeed, we partake in a lot of co-created research with vulnerable groups and their voice is very important to us. We would like it acknowledged though that we do not have control over how research is used. The authors of this letter seem to infer that open access to scientific articles is not appropriate as it may be misinterpreted by parties with a vested interest. We would strongly refute this and choose to publish in open access journals to increase access to ongoing scientific debates.</p><p>We never conclude that people with obesity are more likely to have low IQ in our paper. This is a misinterpretation. We do not even show data on the mean IQ levels of people with and without obesity. Second, this is equal to negating all studies that are based on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition such as mental health problems or potentially stigmatizing issues such as sexual orientation. In studies that have found that people with schizophrenia are more likely to have obesity for example, would it be possible for someone to criticize or ask for retraction of a paper saying that this topic is dangerous and harmful since people with obesity may be discriminated because they are more likely to have schizophrenia? Data from these kinds of studies would usually be used to further stimulate research on what lifestyle or pharmacological factors are leading to more obesity in people with schizophrenia, so as to improve health status in people with schizophrenia. This is in line with our study aims.</p><p>If some media message emerges as a result of a misinterpretation, this would not be a problem of the paper but the interpretation of the journalist.</p><p>The authors of the letter have not clarified which journal article the newspaper article on obesity and IQ (citation 5) was based on and how the journalist misinterpreted the content. This is also true for the newspaper article on policy decisions to bar students to top schools because the student's parent is too fat (citation 6). In fact, our paper has nothing to do with parental obesity and it is not clear how this is relevant in the context of IQ.</p><p>Furthermore, to justify their claims, the authors of the letter should have shown that previous studies on IQ and obesity directly led to discrimination (and not via a misinterpretation as that is not the fault of the paper but rather the journalist who misinterpreted the data), and that these studies on IQ and obesity had undeniable negative impact on the society. The study topic of IQ and obesity is by no means novel and has existed since more than 40 years ago. Thus, if this study topic were to be harmful, we believe that its impact should be evident by now.</p><p>We agree of course that weight stigma has deleterious effects on health. We also agree with the authors of the letter that science is an excellent vector to fight against any type of discrimination. However, based on these claims, it seems that the authors are saying that no studies on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition can take place as this can lead to weight stigma. We do not believe that this is likely to happen and omitting these kinds of studies would mean that there will be no data on how to improve health status of people with potentially stigmatizing conditions, which in itself can be discriminatory. If the authors of the letter believe that these studies should be abolished from research, our recommendation would be to contact larger scientific bodies or organizations to disseminate their message and ask for their opinions. In terms of IQ and obesity, as we show below, there is a huge body of literature on this topic, although limited as samples are not nationally representative and key potential confounding variables have not been considered, and thus, contacting all journals and authors of these previous publications may lead to a more balanced view, and requesting a retraction only of our study will probably not lead to any change in practice that the authors of this letter seem to want.</p><p>We were not sure what this means but the reference provided by Redsell and colleagues does not conclude that BMI is a poor indicator of health but that the diagnostic accuracy of BMI to diagnose obesity is limited. This is a different message. Furthermore, based on the World Health Organization definition, BMI is the parameter used for the diagnosis of obesity. Finally, BMI does have limitations at an individual level. However, it was developed for epidemiological purposes, whereby associations across populations are established. Therefore, the limitations of using BMI do not confound the type of research presented in our paper.</p><p>It is incorrect to say the limitations of self-report BMI were not acknowledged. We have openly acknowledged the limitations of self-reported BMI and provided an appropriate reference to substantiate this. The limitations paragraph indicates:</p><p>“Second, BMI was based on self-reported weight and height, and it is thus possible that the prevalence of obesity was underestimated in this sample as people tend to underreport their weight.<sup>27</sup>”</p><p>A cross-sectional study never assesses causation, as it cannot. We do not understand how “exploring the association between IQ and obesity, not causation” can be a major flaw in the study. Rather, a cross-sectional study that overemphasizes causation is a problem. In our study, this is not the case, as we mention the following in the limitation section:</p><p>“Third, this was a cross-sectional study and thus no conclusions about causality or temporality of the association between IQ and obesity can be drawn.”</p><p>Cross-sectional studies are exploratory in nature commonly used as platforms for future prospective and interventional studies to provide further evidence on causality and direction of associations. They can also instigate future research on the underlying mechanism of a certain association.</p><p>It is incorrect to say “there is no consideration of the overwhelming evidence supporting the social and structural causes of higher BMI.” Loneliness and social support were included in the analyses, and both loneliness and social support can hardly be considered as individual level variables given that they subjectively and objectively depict the interaction of an individual with his/her environment, respectively.</p><p>People with intellectual disabilities are out of the scope of the present study. Intellectual disability is traditionally defined as ≥2 standard deviations below mean IQ or IQ ≤ 70.<span><sup>2</sup></span> In our study, participants had IQ scores between 70 and 127. Thus, the study that the authors of the letter cite is not comparable. We are not sure what the authors mean by a direct association but associations after adjustment for various confounders have been found between IQ and obesity as mentioned in the Introduction. Also, adjustment for wealth is included in our study.</p><p>Please note that investigations of IQ and obesity are by no means a novel idea and have been extensively studied by various groups for many years since the 1970s and have been present in the academic literature. For example, in 2010, one systematic review collated the literature on the association between IQ and obesity, particularly childhood IQ in relation to adulthood obesity, and included 26 studies.<span><sup>3</sup></span> The review concluded that “overall there was an inverse full IQ/obesity association, except in pre-school children. However, after adjusting for educational attainment, full IQ/obesity association was not significantly different. A lower full IQ in childhood was associated with obesity in later adulthood perhaps with educational level mediating the persistence of obesity in later life.” We carefully identify this literature among others in the introduction of our paper (see references 6–10).</p><p>Redsell et al. state “To propose that a direct, linear relationship between IQ and BMI exists without any further analysis and understanding of the underlying factors which may link the two is thus incomplete and misleading.” An association may exist even if there are no adjustments. This is why the phrase “univariate association” exists. There indeed was an association between IQ and BMI in our study and this is not misleading or incomplete as this is the truth. The control variables included in our study are clearly explained. Thus, the readers are aware of the fact that the association between IQ and obesity in our study is the association when adjusted for these factors and that it is possible that residual confounding may exist due to factors not included in our study. In fact, our study advances the field by including multiple potential confounders, which have not been considered in previous studies on IQ and obesity.</p><p>The benefits of studying this issue are to identify people at high risk of obesity. Based on the argument of Redsell and colleagues, the potential harm that they refer to is caused by a misinterpretation. Any paper can be misinterpreted if read by a nonscholar and it is not normal scientific practice to note that the study may be harmful as someone can misinterpret the data.</p><p>The NART for this study was only conducted for scientific purposes and thus widespread use of IQ testing and its impact on the community is not within the scope of this paper. Furthermore, we do not advocate widespread IQ testing anywhere in the paper.</p><p>Interestingly, the paper of McGurn and colleagues that Redsell et al. refer to<span><sup>4</sup></span> supports the use of the NART because 0.6 is considered good enough: “These findings validate the NART as an estimator of premorbid ability in mild to moderate dementia.”</p><p>In addition, another study has shown that a revised version of the NART can be used in people without dementia<span><sup>5</sup></span>: “NART-R estimated IQ scores correlated reliably with earlier obtained IQ scores: FS1Q <i>r</i> = 0.70; VIQ <i>r</i> = 0.68; PIQ <i>r</i> = 0.61 (all <i>p</i>'s &lt; 0.05).” (Abstract)</p><p>\"These results represent the first confirmation of the retrospective accuracy of the NART-R in estimating WAIS-R scores across time, a previously untested but critical assumption for clinical application of this approach.” (Abstract)</p><p>Finally, there are papers derived from the dataset used in our study that use the NART to assess IQ,<span><sup>6, 7</sup></span> suggesting that this is an accepted proxy in academia.</p><p>This sixth point further emphasizes the misinterpretation of our paper by Redsell et al. Our paper showed that a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10 times higher odds for obesity. Therefore, if PPI was to be conducted then we would select people with lower IQ and not overweight and obesity. We agree that there is great value in PPI. However, Redsell and colleague must try to take a more holistic approach to identifying research priorities of which PPI forms one contributory avenue.</p><p>Redsell and colleagues state: “This research does not address any of the more recently published priority issues for people with higher BMIs (for example https://mrc.ukri.org/research/initiatives/obesity-research/)”; in fact, this cited document contains the following statement: “In terms of our remit, obesity's consequences for health are the dominant cause for concern. For example, obesity results in a substantial increase in risk of type 2 diabetes. This means that a balance between approaches – reducing or preventing obesity and breaking the link between obesity and related diseases – is required. An intermediate approach, targeting common points in the link (such as insulin resistance) is also possible.” When considering this statement and “preventing obesity” then our paper is addressing this priority in that we are identifying a subset of the population who is at risk of obesity and thus we may wish to target with prevention efforts. Moreover, we know that this population is at greater risk of some obesity-related diseases.</p><p>Secondary data analysis does not require further ethical approval. Furthermore, as mentioned above, Redsell and colleagues have not been able to prove any evidence that this study topic is harmful. Thus, their claim that this study would require further ethical approval due to serious concerns cannot be justified.</p><p>Screening for obesity in people with low IQ is not discriminatory. This is part of preventive medicine. By overemphasizing potential stigma, we believe that the authors of this letter may potentially be fomenting discrimination against people with potentially stigmatizing conditions by leaving them out of health care. This is indeed unethical.</p><p>The paper that Redsell and colleagues cite, saying “It is well established that healthcare professionals find it challenging to raise weight management with people [15]” is on child weight management, despite the fact that our study only includes adults. Furthermore, this paper does not say that child management is not possible nor that it should not be done. In contrast, the review identified several facilitators such as healthcare professionals’ knowledge or parents seeking help.</p><p>IQ and other related measures are documented in some pediatric and psychiatric practices. We never advocate widespread testing of IQ, so the authors’ comment about this is incorrect. Please refer to the text below which can be found in our manuscript:</p><p>“Although the present findings provide valuable information on the link between low IQ and obesity, it is important to understand that IQ is a nonmodifiable risk factor that is rarely assessed in the general population. Therefore, the development of obesity prevention programs focusing on intelligence is difficult to implement. Nevertheless, IQ may be regularly assessed in specific situations such as the follow-up of children with developmental difficulties or the follow-up of adults with psychiatric disorders.”</p><p>We only suggest strategies under circumstances where data on IQ are available for another purpose.</p><p>We did not find any evidence-based concerns in the letter by Redsell and colleagues and thus certainly a retraction of this paper is not warranted. In particular, despite their claims “Yet this paper suffers a number of methodological flaws and breaches two ethical principles, namely, beneficence and justice that significantly detract from the soundness of the science.” Redsell and colleagues do not provide in the letter any evidence supporting such claims. 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Concerns regarding “Association between intelligence quotient and obesity in England” and unjustifiable harm to people in bigger bodies. <i>Lifestyle Medicine</i> 2021.</p><p>We thank Redsell and colleagues for preparing a comment on our important work surrounding the cross-sectional association between intelligence quotient (IQ) and obesity, while adjusting for sex, age, ethnicity, marital status, qualification, employment, income, chronic physical conditions, loneliness, social support, stressful life events, smoking status, alcohol dependence, drug use, and common mental disorders.</p><p>Our analysis was conducted and reported in accordance with STROBE guidance. The analyses showed that after adjustment for the aforementioned confounders, compared to IQ scores of 120–129, IQ scores of 110–119 (odds ratio [OR] = 1.16), 100–109 (OR = 1.35), 90–99 (OR = 1.26), 80–89 (OR = 1.68), and 70–79 (OR = 1.72) were associated with increased odds for obesity. Furthermore, a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10-fold increase in the odds for obesity. We went on to discuss the findings (i.e., the potential mechanisms that could explain the IQ–obesity relationship) in the context of the limitations of the study and concluded that there was a negative association between IQ and obesity in the UK population.</p><p>Correlates of health outcomes and behaviors can either be modifiable (e.g., physical activity level) or nonmodifiable (e.g., IQ). Modifiable correlates inform targets for change in interventions (such as increasing levels of physical activity) and nonmodifiable correlates inform populations who should be targeted for intervention (such as those with a low IQ in obesity prevention).<span><sup>1</sup></span> These people with characteristics which may not be modifiable can also benefit from lifestyle interventions as they may be more likely to engage in lifestyle factors, which can lead to adverse health outcomes. In our study, which found that low IQ is associated with obesity, we discuss the potential contribution of lifestyle factors in this association. Identifying both types of correlates in terms of health behavior is essential for successful and targeted intervention. In this context, the present paper perfectly fits into the scope of “Lifestyle Medicine.”</p><p>It is not, nor ever has been our intention to fuel inappropriate perceptions of anyone in society. Indeed, we partake in a lot of co-created research with vulnerable groups and their voice is very important to us. We would like it acknowledged though that we do not have control over how research is used. The authors of this letter seem to infer that open access to scientific articles is not appropriate as it may be misinterpreted by parties with a vested interest. We would strongly refute this and choose to publish in open access journals to increase access to ongoing scientific debates.</p><p>We never conclude that people with obesity are more likely to have low IQ in our paper. This is a misinterpretation. We do not even show data on the mean IQ levels of people with and without obesity. Second, this is equal to negating all studies that are based on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition such as mental health problems or potentially stigmatizing issues such as sexual orientation. In studies that have found that people with schizophrenia are more likely to have obesity for example, would it be possible for someone to criticize or ask for retraction of a paper saying that this topic is dangerous and harmful since people with obesity may be discriminated because they are more likely to have schizophrenia? Data from these kinds of studies would usually be used to further stimulate research on what lifestyle or pharmacological factors are leading to more obesity in people with schizophrenia, so as to improve health status in people with schizophrenia. This is in line with our study aims.</p><p>If some media message emerges as a result of a misinterpretation, this would not be a problem of the paper but the interpretation of the journalist.</p><p>The authors of the letter have not clarified which journal article the newspaper article on obesity and IQ (citation 5) was based on and how the journalist misinterpreted the content. This is also true for the newspaper article on policy decisions to bar students to top schools because the student's parent is too fat (citation 6). In fact, our paper has nothing to do with parental obesity and it is not clear how this is relevant in the context of IQ.</p><p>Furthermore, to justify their claims, the authors of the letter should have shown that previous studies on IQ and obesity directly led to discrimination (and not via a misinterpretation as that is not the fault of the paper but rather the journalist who misinterpreted the data), and that these studies on IQ and obesity had undeniable negative impact on the society. The study topic of IQ and obesity is by no means novel and has existed since more than 40 years ago. Thus, if this study topic were to be harmful, we believe that its impact should be evident by now.</p><p>We agree of course that weight stigma has deleterious effects on health. We also agree with the authors of the letter that science is an excellent vector to fight against any type of discrimination. However, based on these claims, it seems that the authors are saying that no studies on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition can take place as this can lead to weight stigma. We do not believe that this is likely to happen and omitting these kinds of studies would mean that there will be no data on how to improve health status of people with potentially stigmatizing conditions, which in itself can be discriminatory. If the authors of the letter believe that these studies should be abolished from research, our recommendation would be to contact larger scientific bodies or organizations to disseminate their message and ask for their opinions. In terms of IQ and obesity, as we show below, there is a huge body of literature on this topic, although limited as samples are not nationally representative and key potential confounding variables have not been considered, and thus, contacting all journals and authors of these previous publications may lead to a more balanced view, and requesting a retraction only of our study will probably not lead to any change in practice that the authors of this letter seem to want.</p><p>We were not sure what this means but the reference provided by Redsell and colleagues does not conclude that BMI is a poor indicator of health but that the diagnostic accuracy of BMI to diagnose obesity is limited. This is a different message. Furthermore, based on the World Health Organization definition, BMI is the parameter used for the diagnosis of obesity. Finally, BMI does have limitations at an individual level. However, it was developed for epidemiological purposes, whereby associations across populations are established. Therefore, the limitations of using BMI do not confound the type of research presented in our paper.</p><p>It is incorrect to say the limitations of self-report BMI were not acknowledged. We have openly acknowledged the limitations of self-reported BMI and provided an appropriate reference to substantiate this. The limitations paragraph indicates:</p><p>“Second, BMI was based on self-reported weight and height, and it is thus possible that the prevalence of obesity was underestimated in this sample as people tend to underreport their weight.<sup>27</sup>”</p><p>A cross-sectional study never assesses causation, as it cannot. We do not understand how “exploring the association between IQ and obesity, not causation” can be a major flaw in the study. Rather, a cross-sectional study that overemphasizes causation is a problem. In our study, this is not the case, as we mention the following in the limitation section:</p><p>“Third, this was a cross-sectional study and thus no conclusions about causality or temporality of the association between IQ and obesity can be drawn.”</p><p>Cross-sectional studies are exploratory in nature commonly used as platforms for future prospective and interventional studies to provide further evidence on causality and direction of associations. They can also instigate future research on the underlying mechanism of a certain association.</p><p>It is incorrect to say “there is no consideration of the overwhelming evidence supporting the social and structural causes of higher BMI.” Loneliness and social support were included in the analyses, and both loneliness and social support can hardly be considered as individual level variables given that they subjectively and objectively depict the interaction of an individual with his/her environment, respectively.</p><p>People with intellectual disabilities are out of the scope of the present study. Intellectual disability is traditionally defined as ≥2 standard deviations below mean IQ or IQ ≤ 70.<span><sup>2</sup></span> In our study, participants had IQ scores between 70 and 127. Thus, the study that the authors of the letter cite is not comparable. We are not sure what the authors mean by a direct association but associations after adjustment for various confounders have been found between IQ and obesity as mentioned in the Introduction. Also, adjustment for wealth is included in our study.</p><p>Please note that investigations of IQ and obesity are by no means a novel idea and have been extensively studied by various groups for many years since the 1970s and have been present in the academic literature. For example, in 2010, one systematic review collated the literature on the association between IQ and obesity, particularly childhood IQ in relation to adulthood obesity, and included 26 studies.<span><sup>3</sup></span> The review concluded that “overall there was an inverse full IQ/obesity association, except in pre-school children. However, after adjusting for educational attainment, full IQ/obesity association was not significantly different. A lower full IQ in childhood was associated with obesity in later adulthood perhaps with educational level mediating the persistence of obesity in later life.” We carefully identify this literature among others in the introduction of our paper (see references 6–10).</p><p>Redsell et al. state “To propose that a direct, linear relationship between IQ and BMI exists without any further analysis and understanding of the underlying factors which may link the two is thus incomplete and misleading.” An association may exist even if there are no adjustments. This is why the phrase “univariate association” exists. There indeed was an association between IQ and BMI in our study and this is not misleading or incomplete as this is the truth. The control variables included in our study are clearly explained. Thus, the readers are aware of the fact that the association between IQ and obesity in our study is the association when adjusted for these factors and that it is possible that residual confounding may exist due to factors not included in our study. In fact, our study advances the field by including multiple potential confounders, which have not been considered in previous studies on IQ and obesity.</p><p>The benefits of studying this issue are to identify people at high risk of obesity. Based on the argument of Redsell and colleagues, the potential harm that they refer to is caused by a misinterpretation. Any paper can be misinterpreted if read by a nonscholar and it is not normal scientific practice to note that the study may be harmful as someone can misinterpret the data.</p><p>The NART for this study was only conducted for scientific purposes and thus widespread use of IQ testing and its impact on the community is not within the scope of this paper. Furthermore, we do not advocate widespread IQ testing anywhere in the paper.</p><p>Interestingly, the paper of McGurn and colleagues that Redsell et al. refer to<span><sup>4</sup></span> supports the use of the NART because 0.6 is considered good enough: “These findings validate the NART as an estimator of premorbid ability in mild to moderate dementia.”</p><p>In addition, another study has shown that a revised version of the NART can be used in people without dementia<span><sup>5</sup></span>: “NART-R estimated IQ scores correlated reliably with earlier obtained IQ scores: FS1Q <i>r</i> = 0.70; VIQ <i>r</i> = 0.68; PIQ <i>r</i> = 0.61 (all <i>p</i>'s &lt; 0.05).” (Abstract)</p><p>\\\"These results represent the first confirmation of the retrospective accuracy of the NART-R in estimating WAIS-R scores across time, a previously untested but critical assumption for clinical application of this approach.” (Abstract)</p><p>Finally, there are papers derived from the dataset used in our study that use the NART to assess IQ,<span><sup>6, 7</sup></span> suggesting that this is an accepted proxy in academia.</p><p>This sixth point further emphasizes the misinterpretation of our paper by Redsell et al. Our paper showed that a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10 times higher odds for obesity. Therefore, if PPI was to be conducted then we would select people with lower IQ and not overweight and obesity. We agree that there is great value in PPI. However, Redsell and colleague must try to take a more holistic approach to identifying research priorities of which PPI forms one contributory avenue.</p><p>Redsell and colleagues state: “This research does not address any of the more recently published priority issues for people with higher BMIs (for example https://mrc.ukri.org/research/initiatives/obesity-research/)”; in fact, this cited document contains the following statement: “In terms of our remit, obesity's consequences for health are the dominant cause for concern. For example, obesity results in a substantial increase in risk of type 2 diabetes. This means that a balance between approaches – reducing or preventing obesity and breaking the link between obesity and related diseases – is required. An intermediate approach, targeting common points in the link (such as insulin resistance) is also possible.” When considering this statement and “preventing obesity” then our paper is addressing this priority in that we are identifying a subset of the population who is at risk of obesity and thus we may wish to target with prevention efforts. Moreover, we know that this population is at greater risk of some obesity-related diseases.</p><p>Secondary data analysis does not require further ethical approval. Furthermore, as mentioned above, Redsell and colleagues have not been able to prove any evidence that this study topic is harmful. Thus, their claim that this study would require further ethical approval due to serious concerns cannot be justified.</p><p>Screening for obesity in people with low IQ is not discriminatory. This is part of preventive medicine. By overemphasizing potential stigma, we believe that the authors of this letter may potentially be fomenting discrimination against people with potentially stigmatizing conditions by leaving them out of health care. This is indeed unethical.</p><p>The paper that Redsell and colleagues cite, saying “It is well established that healthcare professionals find it challenging to raise weight management with people [15]” is on child weight management, despite the fact that our study only includes adults. Furthermore, this paper does not say that child management is not possible nor that it should not be done. In contrast, the review identified several facilitators such as healthcare professionals’ knowledge or parents seeking help.</p><p>IQ and other related measures are documented in some pediatric and psychiatric practices. We never advocate widespread testing of IQ, so the authors’ comment about this is incorrect. Please refer to the text below which can be found in our manuscript:</p><p>“Although the present findings provide valuable information on the link between low IQ and obesity, it is important to understand that IQ is a nonmodifiable risk factor that is rarely assessed in the general population. Therefore, the development of obesity prevention programs focusing on intelligence is difficult to implement. Nevertheless, IQ may be regularly assessed in specific situations such as the follow-up of children with developmental difficulties or the follow-up of adults with psychiatric disorders.”</p><p>We only suggest strategies under circumstances where data on IQ are available for another purpose.</p><p>We did not find any evidence-based concerns in the letter by Redsell and colleagues and thus certainly a retraction of this paper is not warranted. 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Re: Redsell S, Bains KK, Le Broq S, Bucks RS, Byrne-Davis L, Gray L, Hotham S, Hennessy M, Kyle TK, McPherson A, Quigley F, Vicari M, Zinn SR.对“英国智商与肥胖之间的关系”的担忧以及对肥胖人群的不合理伤害。生活方式医学2021。我们感谢Redsell和他的同事们准备了一份关于我们关于智商(IQ)和肥胖之间横断面关系的重要工作的评论,同时调整了性别、年龄、种族、婚姻状况、资格、就业、收入、慢性身体状况、孤独、社会支持、压力生活事件、吸烟状况、酒精依赖、药物使用和常见精神障碍。我们的分析是按照STROBE指南进行和报告的。分析显示,在对上述混杂因素进行调整后,与智商得分120-129相比,智商得分110-119(比值比[OR] = 1.16)、100-109(比值比= 1.35)、90-99(比值比= 1.26)、80-89(比值比= 1.68)和70-79(比值比= 1.72)与肥胖的几率增加相关。此外,智商每下降10分,肥胖几率就会增加1.10倍。在研究的局限性背景下,我们继续讨论这些发现(即,可以解释智商与肥胖关系的潜在机制),并得出结论,智商与肥胖之间存在负相关。健康结果和行为的相关因素可以是可改变的(如身体活动水平),也可以是不可改变的(如智商)。可改变的相关因素告知干预措施改变的目标(如增加身体活动水平),不可改变的相关因素告知应该针对干预的人群(如预防肥胖的低智商人群)这些具有无法改变的特征的人也可以从生活方式干预中受益,因为他们可能更有可能参与生活方式因素,这可能导致不利的健康结果。在我们的研究中,我们发现低智商与肥胖有关,我们讨论了生活方式因素在这种联系中的潜在作用。在健康行为方面确定这两种类型的相关因素对于成功和有针对性的干预至关重要。在这种情况下,本论文完全符合“生活方式医学”的范围。我们的意图不是,也从来没有助长对社会上任何人的不恰当看法。事实上,我们参与了许多与弱势群体共同创建的研究,他们的声音对我们来说非常重要。我们希望大家承认,我们无法控制研究成果的使用方式。这封信的作者似乎推断,开放获取科学文章是不合适的,因为它可能被既得利益者误解。我们强烈反对这种说法,并选择在开放获取期刊上发表文章,以增加对正在进行的科学辩论的获取。在我们的论文中,我们从未得出肥胖的人更有可能智商低的结论。这是一种误解。我们甚至没有显示肥胖者和非肥胖者的平均智商水平数据。其次,这等于否定所有基于肥胖和潜在的污名化状况(如心理健康问题)或潜在的污名化问题(如性取向)的研究。例如,在研究中发现,精神分裂症患者更容易患肥胖症,是否有可能有人批评或要求撤回一篇论文,说这个话题是危险和有害的,因为肥胖的人可能会受到歧视,因为他们更容易患精神分裂症?这类研究的数据通常会被用来进一步激发研究哪些生活方式或药物因素导致精神分裂症患者肥胖,从而改善精神分裂症患者的健康状况。这符合我们的研究目的。如果一些媒体信息是由于误解而出现的,这不是报纸的问题,而是记者的解释问题。这封信的作者没有澄清报纸上那篇关于肥胖和智商的文章是基于哪篇期刊文章,以及记者是如何误解文章内容的。报纸上关于禁止学生进入顶尖学校的政策决定的文章也是如此,因为学生的父母太胖了(引文6)。事实上,我们的论文与父母肥胖无关,也不清楚这与智商有什么关系。此外,为了证明他们的说法是正确的,这封信的作者应该表明,以前关于智商和肥胖的研究直接导致了歧视(而不是通过误解,因为这不是论文的错,而是记者误解了数据),而且这些关于智商和肥胖的研究对社会产生了不可否认的负面影响。 智商和肥胖的研究课题并不新鲜,早在40多年前就已经存在了。因此,如果这个研究课题是有害的,我们相信它的影响到现在应该是显而易见的。我们当然同意,体重的耻辱对健康有有害的影响。我们也同意这封信作者的观点,即科学是反对任何形式歧视的绝佳载体。然而,根据这些说法,作者似乎在说,没有关于肥胖和潜在污名化状况的研究可以进行,因为这可能导致体重污名化。我们认为这种情况不太可能发生,而忽略这类研究将意味着没有关于如何改善潜在污名化疾病患者健康状况的数据,这本身就是歧视性的。如果这封信的作者认为这些研究应该从研究中废除,我们的建议是联系更大的科学机构或组织,传播他们的信息并征求他们的意见。的智商和肥胖,正如我们下面指出的那样,有一个巨大的关于这个主题的文献,尽管有限的样本不是全国代表性和关键潜在的混杂变量没有被考虑,因此,所有这些以前出版的期刊和作者联系可能会导致一个更平衡的观点,只请求撤回我们的研究在实践中可能不会导致任何改变,似乎这封信的作者想要的。我们不确定这意味着什么,但Redsell及其同事提供的参考资料并没有得出BMI是一个糟糕的健康指标的结论,但BMI诊断肥胖的准确性是有限的。这是一个不同的信息。此外,根据世界卫生组织的定义,BMI是用于肥胖诊断的参数。最后,BMI在个人层面上确实有局限性。然而,它是为流行病学目的而开发的,从而建立了不同人群之间的联系。因此,使用BMI的局限性并没有混淆我们论文中提出的研究类型。说自我报告BMI的局限性没有得到承认是不正确的。我们已经公开承认自我报告BMI的局限性,并提供了适当的参考来证实这一点。限制段落指出:“其次,BMI是基于自我报告的体重和身高,因此,在这个样本中,肥胖的患病率可能被低估了,因为人们倾向于低估自己的体重。“横断面研究从不评估因果关系,因为它不可能。我们不明白为什么“探索智商和肥胖之间的联系,而不是因果关系”会成为这项研究的主要缺陷。相反,过分强调因果关系的横断面研究是一个问题。在我们的研究中,情况并非如此,正如我们在限制部分提到的:“第三,这是一项横断面研究,因此无法得出关于智商和肥胖之间因果关系或时间性的结论。”横断面研究本质上是探索性的,通常被用作未来前瞻性和干预性研究的平台,以提供有关因果关系和关联方向的进一步证据。它们还可以激发未来对某种关联的潜在机制的研究。说“没有考虑到支持高BMI的社会和结构原因的压倒性证据”是不正确的。孤独感和社会支持都被纳入了分析,而孤独感和社会支持都很难被视为个体层面的变量,因为它们分别主观和客观地描述了个体与环境的相互作用。智障人士不在本研究的范围之内。智力残疾传统上定义为智商低于平均智商≥2个标准差或智商≤70.2。在我们的研究中,参与者的智商得分在70到127之间。因此,这封信的作者引用的研究是没有可比性的。我们不确定作者所说的直接联系是什么意思,但正如引言中提到的,在调整各种混杂因素后,我们发现智商和肥胖之间存在联系。此外,我们的研究还包括对财富的调整。请注意,智商和肥胖的调查绝不是一个新颖的想法,自20世纪70年代以来,各种团体已经进行了多年的广泛研究,并已出现在学术文献中。例如,2010年,一项系统综述整理了有关智商与肥胖之间关系的文献,特别是儿童智商与成年肥胖之间的关系,其中包括26项研究该研究总结道:“总体而言,除了学龄前儿童之外,智商和肥胖之间存在着负相关。” 然而,在调整教育程度后,完全智商/肥胖的关联没有显著差异。儿童时期较低的全智商与成年后的肥胖有关,这可能与教育水平在以后的生活中调节肥胖的持久性有关。”我们在论文的引言中仔细地识别了这些文献(见参考文献6-10)。Redsell等人指出:“在没有进一步分析和了解可能将两者联系起来的潜在因素的情况下,提出智商和体重指数之间存在直接的线性关系是不完整和误导的。”即使没有调整,也可能存在关联。这就是“单变量关联”存在的原因。在我们的研究中,智商和身体质量指数之间确实存在联系,这不是误导或不完整,因为这是事实。在我们的研究中包含的控制变量被清楚地解释。因此,读者应该意识到,我们的研究中智商和肥胖之间的关联是经过这些因素调整后的关联,并且可能由于我们的研究中未包括的因素而存在残留混淆。事实上,我们的研究通过纳入多个潜在的混杂因素推动了这一领域的发展,这些因素在以前的智商和肥胖研究中没有被考虑到。研究这个问题的好处是确定肥胖的高风险人群。根据Redsell及其同事的观点,他们所提到的潜在危害是由误解造成的。任何论文如果被非学者阅读都可能被误解,注意到研究可能有害,因为有人可能会误解数据,这是不正常的科学实践。本研究的NART仅为科学目的而进行,因此IQ测试的广泛使用及其对社会的影响不在本文的范围内。此外,我们不提倡在论文的任何地方进行广泛的智商测试。有趣的是,Redsell等人引用的McGurn及其同事的论文4支持使用NART,因为0.6被认为足够好:“这些发现验证了NART作为轻度至中度痴呆发病前能力的估计。”此外,另一项研究表明,NART的修订版可以用于没有痴呆症的人:“NART- r估计的智商分数与早期获得的智商分数可靠地相关:FS1Q r = 0.70;VIQ r = 0.68;PIQ r = 0.61(所有p's &lt;0.05)。”(抽象)“这些结果首次证实了NART-R在估计WAIS-R评分方面的回顾性准确性,这是以前未经测试但对该方法的临床应用至关重要的假设。(摘要)最后,我们研究中使用的数据集中有一些论文使用NART来评估智商,这表明这是学术界公认的代理。这第六点进一步强调了Redsell等人对我们论文的误解。我们的论文表明,智商每下降10分,肥胖的几率就会增加1.10倍。因此,如果要进行PPI测试,我们会选择智商较低但不超重和肥胖的人。我们同意PPI有很大的价值。然而,Redsell及其同事必须尝试采取更全面的方法来确定研究重点,其中PPI形成了一个贡献途径。Redsell和他的同事说:“这项研究没有解决最近公布的高bmi人群的任何优先问题(例如https://mrc.ukri.org/research/initiatives/obesity-research/)”;事实上,这份被引用的文件包含以下声明:“就我们的职权范围而言,肥胖对健康的影响是令人担忧的主要原因。例如,肥胖会导致患2型糖尿病的风险大幅增加。这意味着需要在减少或预防肥胖和打破肥胖与相关疾病之间的联系这两种方法之间取得平衡。一种中间方法,针对链接中的共同点(如胰岛素抵抗)也是可能的。”当考虑到这一说法和“预防肥胖”时,我们的论文正在解决这一优先事项,因为我们正在确定有肥胖风险的人群的一个子集,因此我们可能希望以预防努力为目标。此外,我们知道这一人群患某些肥胖相关疾病的风险更大。二次数据分析不需要进一步的伦理批准。此外,正如上面提到的,Redsell和他的同事还没有能够证明任何证据表明这个研究主题是有害的。因此,他们声称这项研究需要进一步的伦理批准,因为严重的担忧是不合理的。对低智商人群进行肥胖筛查并不是歧视。这是预防医学的一部分。
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Reply to Redsell et al

Re: Redsell S, Bains KK, Le Broq S, Bucks RS, Byrne-Davis L, Gray L, Hotham S, Hennessy M, Kyle TK, McPherson A, Quigley F, Vicari M, Zinn SR. Concerns regarding “Association between intelligence quotient and obesity in England” and unjustifiable harm to people in bigger bodies. Lifestyle Medicine 2021.

We thank Redsell and colleagues for preparing a comment on our important work surrounding the cross-sectional association between intelligence quotient (IQ) and obesity, while adjusting for sex, age, ethnicity, marital status, qualification, employment, income, chronic physical conditions, loneliness, social support, stressful life events, smoking status, alcohol dependence, drug use, and common mental disorders.

Our analysis was conducted and reported in accordance with STROBE guidance. The analyses showed that after adjustment for the aforementioned confounders, compared to IQ scores of 120–129, IQ scores of 110–119 (odds ratio [OR] = 1.16), 100–109 (OR = 1.35), 90–99 (OR = 1.26), 80–89 (OR = 1.68), and 70–79 (OR = 1.72) were associated with increased odds for obesity. Furthermore, a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10-fold increase in the odds for obesity. We went on to discuss the findings (i.e., the potential mechanisms that could explain the IQ–obesity relationship) in the context of the limitations of the study and concluded that there was a negative association between IQ and obesity in the UK population.

Correlates of health outcomes and behaviors can either be modifiable (e.g., physical activity level) or nonmodifiable (e.g., IQ). Modifiable correlates inform targets for change in interventions (such as increasing levels of physical activity) and nonmodifiable correlates inform populations who should be targeted for intervention (such as those with a low IQ in obesity prevention).1 These people with characteristics which may not be modifiable can also benefit from lifestyle interventions as they may be more likely to engage in lifestyle factors, which can lead to adverse health outcomes. In our study, which found that low IQ is associated with obesity, we discuss the potential contribution of lifestyle factors in this association. Identifying both types of correlates in terms of health behavior is essential for successful and targeted intervention. In this context, the present paper perfectly fits into the scope of “Lifestyle Medicine.”

It is not, nor ever has been our intention to fuel inappropriate perceptions of anyone in society. Indeed, we partake in a lot of co-created research with vulnerable groups and their voice is very important to us. We would like it acknowledged though that we do not have control over how research is used. The authors of this letter seem to infer that open access to scientific articles is not appropriate as it may be misinterpreted by parties with a vested interest. We would strongly refute this and choose to publish in open access journals to increase access to ongoing scientific debates.

We never conclude that people with obesity are more likely to have low IQ in our paper. This is a misinterpretation. We do not even show data on the mean IQ levels of people with and without obesity. Second, this is equal to negating all studies that are based on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition such as mental health problems or potentially stigmatizing issues such as sexual orientation. In studies that have found that people with schizophrenia are more likely to have obesity for example, would it be possible for someone to criticize or ask for retraction of a paper saying that this topic is dangerous and harmful since people with obesity may be discriminated because they are more likely to have schizophrenia? Data from these kinds of studies would usually be used to further stimulate research on what lifestyle or pharmacological factors are leading to more obesity in people with schizophrenia, so as to improve health status in people with schizophrenia. This is in line with our study aims.

If some media message emerges as a result of a misinterpretation, this would not be a problem of the paper but the interpretation of the journalist.

The authors of the letter have not clarified which journal article the newspaper article on obesity and IQ (citation 5) was based on and how the journalist misinterpreted the content. This is also true for the newspaper article on policy decisions to bar students to top schools because the student's parent is too fat (citation 6). In fact, our paper has nothing to do with parental obesity and it is not clear how this is relevant in the context of IQ.

Furthermore, to justify their claims, the authors of the letter should have shown that previous studies on IQ and obesity directly led to discrimination (and not via a misinterpretation as that is not the fault of the paper but rather the journalist who misinterpreted the data), and that these studies on IQ and obesity had undeniable negative impact on the society. The study topic of IQ and obesity is by no means novel and has existed since more than 40 years ago. Thus, if this study topic were to be harmful, we believe that its impact should be evident by now.

We agree of course that weight stigma has deleterious effects on health. We also agree with the authors of the letter that science is an excellent vector to fight against any type of discrimination. However, based on these claims, it seems that the authors are saying that no studies on obesity and a potentially stigmatizing condition can take place as this can lead to weight stigma. We do not believe that this is likely to happen and omitting these kinds of studies would mean that there will be no data on how to improve health status of people with potentially stigmatizing conditions, which in itself can be discriminatory. If the authors of the letter believe that these studies should be abolished from research, our recommendation would be to contact larger scientific bodies or organizations to disseminate their message and ask for their opinions. In terms of IQ and obesity, as we show below, there is a huge body of literature on this topic, although limited as samples are not nationally representative and key potential confounding variables have not been considered, and thus, contacting all journals and authors of these previous publications may lead to a more balanced view, and requesting a retraction only of our study will probably not lead to any change in practice that the authors of this letter seem to want.

We were not sure what this means but the reference provided by Redsell and colleagues does not conclude that BMI is a poor indicator of health but that the diagnostic accuracy of BMI to diagnose obesity is limited. This is a different message. Furthermore, based on the World Health Organization definition, BMI is the parameter used for the diagnosis of obesity. Finally, BMI does have limitations at an individual level. However, it was developed for epidemiological purposes, whereby associations across populations are established. Therefore, the limitations of using BMI do not confound the type of research presented in our paper.

It is incorrect to say the limitations of self-report BMI were not acknowledged. We have openly acknowledged the limitations of self-reported BMI and provided an appropriate reference to substantiate this. The limitations paragraph indicates:

“Second, BMI was based on self-reported weight and height, and it is thus possible that the prevalence of obesity was underestimated in this sample as people tend to underreport their weight.27

A cross-sectional study never assesses causation, as it cannot. We do not understand how “exploring the association between IQ and obesity, not causation” can be a major flaw in the study. Rather, a cross-sectional study that overemphasizes causation is a problem. In our study, this is not the case, as we mention the following in the limitation section:

“Third, this was a cross-sectional study and thus no conclusions about causality or temporality of the association between IQ and obesity can be drawn.”

Cross-sectional studies are exploratory in nature commonly used as platforms for future prospective and interventional studies to provide further evidence on causality and direction of associations. They can also instigate future research on the underlying mechanism of a certain association.

It is incorrect to say “there is no consideration of the overwhelming evidence supporting the social and structural causes of higher BMI.” Loneliness and social support were included in the analyses, and both loneliness and social support can hardly be considered as individual level variables given that they subjectively and objectively depict the interaction of an individual with his/her environment, respectively.

People with intellectual disabilities are out of the scope of the present study. Intellectual disability is traditionally defined as ≥2 standard deviations below mean IQ or IQ ≤ 70.2 In our study, participants had IQ scores between 70 and 127. Thus, the study that the authors of the letter cite is not comparable. We are not sure what the authors mean by a direct association but associations after adjustment for various confounders have been found between IQ and obesity as mentioned in the Introduction. Also, adjustment for wealth is included in our study.

Please note that investigations of IQ and obesity are by no means a novel idea and have been extensively studied by various groups for many years since the 1970s and have been present in the academic literature. For example, in 2010, one systematic review collated the literature on the association between IQ and obesity, particularly childhood IQ in relation to adulthood obesity, and included 26 studies.3 The review concluded that “overall there was an inverse full IQ/obesity association, except in pre-school children. However, after adjusting for educational attainment, full IQ/obesity association was not significantly different. A lower full IQ in childhood was associated with obesity in later adulthood perhaps with educational level mediating the persistence of obesity in later life.” We carefully identify this literature among others in the introduction of our paper (see references 6–10).

Redsell et al. state “To propose that a direct, linear relationship between IQ and BMI exists without any further analysis and understanding of the underlying factors which may link the two is thus incomplete and misleading.” An association may exist even if there are no adjustments. This is why the phrase “univariate association” exists. There indeed was an association between IQ and BMI in our study and this is not misleading or incomplete as this is the truth. The control variables included in our study are clearly explained. Thus, the readers are aware of the fact that the association between IQ and obesity in our study is the association when adjusted for these factors and that it is possible that residual confounding may exist due to factors not included in our study. In fact, our study advances the field by including multiple potential confounders, which have not been considered in previous studies on IQ and obesity.

The benefits of studying this issue are to identify people at high risk of obesity. Based on the argument of Redsell and colleagues, the potential harm that they refer to is caused by a misinterpretation. Any paper can be misinterpreted if read by a nonscholar and it is not normal scientific practice to note that the study may be harmful as someone can misinterpret the data.

The NART for this study was only conducted for scientific purposes and thus widespread use of IQ testing and its impact on the community is not within the scope of this paper. Furthermore, we do not advocate widespread IQ testing anywhere in the paper.

Interestingly, the paper of McGurn and colleagues that Redsell et al. refer to4 supports the use of the NART because 0.6 is considered good enough: “These findings validate the NART as an estimator of premorbid ability in mild to moderate dementia.”

In addition, another study has shown that a revised version of the NART can be used in people without dementia5: “NART-R estimated IQ scores correlated reliably with earlier obtained IQ scores: FS1Q r = 0.70; VIQ r = 0.68; PIQ r = 0.61 (all p's < 0.05).” (Abstract)

"These results represent the first confirmation of the retrospective accuracy of the NART-R in estimating WAIS-R scores across time, a previously untested but critical assumption for clinical application of this approach.” (Abstract)

Finally, there are papers derived from the dataset used in our study that use the NART to assess IQ,6, 7 suggesting that this is an accepted proxy in academia.

This sixth point further emphasizes the misinterpretation of our paper by Redsell et al. Our paper showed that a 10-point decrease in IQ was associated with a 1.10 times higher odds for obesity. Therefore, if PPI was to be conducted then we would select people with lower IQ and not overweight and obesity. We agree that there is great value in PPI. However, Redsell and colleague must try to take a more holistic approach to identifying research priorities of which PPI forms one contributory avenue.

Redsell and colleagues state: “This research does not address any of the more recently published priority issues for people with higher BMIs (for example https://mrc.ukri.org/research/initiatives/obesity-research/)”; in fact, this cited document contains the following statement: “In terms of our remit, obesity's consequences for health are the dominant cause for concern. For example, obesity results in a substantial increase in risk of type 2 diabetes. This means that a balance between approaches – reducing or preventing obesity and breaking the link between obesity and related diseases – is required. An intermediate approach, targeting common points in the link (such as insulin resistance) is also possible.” When considering this statement and “preventing obesity” then our paper is addressing this priority in that we are identifying a subset of the population who is at risk of obesity and thus we may wish to target with prevention efforts. Moreover, we know that this population is at greater risk of some obesity-related diseases.

Secondary data analysis does not require further ethical approval. Furthermore, as mentioned above, Redsell and colleagues have not been able to prove any evidence that this study topic is harmful. Thus, their claim that this study would require further ethical approval due to serious concerns cannot be justified.

Screening for obesity in people with low IQ is not discriminatory. This is part of preventive medicine. By overemphasizing potential stigma, we believe that the authors of this letter may potentially be fomenting discrimination against people with potentially stigmatizing conditions by leaving them out of health care. This is indeed unethical.

The paper that Redsell and colleagues cite, saying “It is well established that healthcare professionals find it challenging to raise weight management with people [15]” is on child weight management, despite the fact that our study only includes adults. Furthermore, this paper does not say that child management is not possible nor that it should not be done. In contrast, the review identified several facilitators such as healthcare professionals’ knowledge or parents seeking help.

IQ and other related measures are documented in some pediatric and psychiatric practices. We never advocate widespread testing of IQ, so the authors’ comment about this is incorrect. Please refer to the text below which can be found in our manuscript:

“Although the present findings provide valuable information on the link between low IQ and obesity, it is important to understand that IQ is a nonmodifiable risk factor that is rarely assessed in the general population. Therefore, the development of obesity prevention programs focusing on intelligence is difficult to implement. Nevertheless, IQ may be regularly assessed in specific situations such as the follow-up of children with developmental difficulties or the follow-up of adults with psychiatric disorders.”

We only suggest strategies under circumstances where data on IQ are available for another purpose.

We did not find any evidence-based concerns in the letter by Redsell and colleagues and thus certainly a retraction of this paper is not warranted. In particular, despite their claims “Yet this paper suffers a number of methodological flaws and breaches two ethical principles, namely, beneficence and justice that significantly detract from the soundness of the science.” Redsell and colleagues do not provide in the letter any evidence supporting such claims. These are very strong accusations that need to be supported by objective data.

The authors declare that they have no conflict of interest.

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