注意损耗:扩展时间- icp讨论

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Sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. Solla, Raphael Bertani
{"title":"注意损耗:扩展时间- icp讨论","authors":"Sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. Solla, Raphael Bertani","doi":"10.1186/s13054-025-05607-0","DOIUrl":null,"url":null,"abstract":"<p><b>To the Editor</b>,</p><p>We found the multicenter TIMING-ICP study by Mariani et al. [1] insightful, as it underscores time-related differences in severe brain injury management and the importance of efficient intracranial pressure (ICP) monitoring workflows. The study elegantly highlights practical time-dependent disparities in the management of severe brain injury and reinforces the need for streamlined workflows in ICP monitoring. While noninvasive multimodality strategies can reduce delays in neurological monitoring, invasive ICP monitoring remains essential in neurocritical care [2]. While we appreciate the authors’ efforts to reduce delays — a goal we strongly support — we respectfully believe some methodological concerns limit the study’s conclusions and clinical applicability.</p><p>The strength of the Timing-ICP study lies in demonstrating that initiating ICP monitoring earlier than current standard practice is feasible and potentially beneficial. However, the choice between monitoring modalities should be based on individual patient needs and the therapeutic capabilities required, not solely on procedural timing. In the study, intensivists treated predominantly severe TBI cases (82% vs. 49%), while neurosurgeons managed more SAH patients (27% vs. 11%). SAH patients typically require EVDs for hydrocephalus management and CSF blood clearance, while most severe TBI patients may be appropriately managed with parenchymal probes (bolts) alone. This indicates that device selection was based on clinical need rather than for study purposes, so comparing timing across different patient groups and situations is inappropriate.</p><p>Although the study utilizes an observational, non-randomized design, it is important to note that it evaluates inherently distinct procedures rather than different practitioners performing the same intervention. External ventricular drains (EVDs), when placed by neurosurgeons, fulfill both diagnostic and therapeutic roles by permitting cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) drainage for immediate ICP reduction. In contrast, bolts are limited to providing monitoring capabilities. While these probes are simpler to place, they do not facilitate CSF drainage—a critical component in the therapeutic management of intracranial hypertension.</p><p>EVDs enable precise ICP measurement and uniquely allow for dynamic regulation of ICP through CSF diversion, which is particularly beneficial for patients presenting with hydrocephalus, subarachnoid hemorrhage, or intraventricular hemorrhage [3]. On the other hand, measured intraparenchymal pressure can differ from ICP measured in the ventricles, with an average difference up to ± 6 mmHg [4]. Additional advantages of EVDs include their utility in CSF sampling for biomarker analysis [5] and the removal of intraventricular blood to enhance CSF flow [6]. EVDs are widely considered the gold standard for both diagnostic and therapeutic applications, especially in cases requiring long-term management of intracranial pressure [7].</p><p>The study inadvertently sheds light on a fundamental issue: patients requiring EVDs (for hydrocephalus, intraventricular hemorrhage, or therapeutic CSF drainage) may face longer delays, regardless of timing optimization efforts. Since EVD placement is inherently more complex than parenchymal probe insertion, higher complication rates in the neurosurgery group would be expected based on procedural differences alone. Therefore, comparing complication incidence between groups is also methodologically flawed and does not provide valid safety comparisons.</p><p>Standardizing procedures, patient profiles, therapeutic intensity, outcome measures, and employing randomized designs could clarify the feasibility of having intensivists implant ICP monitors.</p><p>No datasets were generated or analysed during the current study.</p><ol data-track-component=\"outbound reference\" data-track-context=\"references section\"><li data-counter=\"1.\"><p>Mariani L, Calza S, Gritti P, Zerbi SM, Russo E, Deana C, et al. From indication to initiation of invasive intracranial pressure monitoring time differences between neurosurgeons and intensive care physicians: can intracranial hypertension dose be reduced? TIMING-ICP, a multicenter, observational, prospective study. Crit Care. 2025;29(1):237.</p><p>PubMed PubMed Central Google Scholar </p></li><li data-counter=\"2.\"><p>Brasil S, Patriota GC, Godoy DA, Paranhos JL, Rubiano AM, Paiva WS. Monro-kellie 4.0: moving from intracranial pressure to intracranial dynamics. Crit Care. 2025;29(1):229.</p><p>PubMed PubMed Central Google Scholar </p></li><li data-counter=\"3.\"><p>Liu H, Wang W, Cheng F, Yuan Q, Yang J, Hu J, et al. External ventricular drains versus intraparenchymal intracranial pressure monitors in traumatic brain injury: a prospective observational study. World Neurosurg. 2015;83(5):794–800.</p><p>PubMed Google Scholar </p></li><li data-counter=\"4.\"><p>Pelah AI, Zakrzewska A, Calviello LA, Forcht Dagi T, Czosnyka Z, Czosnyka M. Accuracy of intracranial pressure monitoring-single centre observational study and literature review. 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Neurosurgery. 2017;80(1):6–15.</p><p>PubMed Google Scholar </p></li></ol><p>Download references<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" height=\"16\" role=\"img\" width=\"16\"><use xlink:href=\"#icon-eds-i-download-medium\" xmlns:xlink=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\"></use></svg></p><h3>Authors and Affiliations</h3><ol><li><p>Experimental Surgery Laboratory, Division of Neurological Surgery, University of São Paulo Medical School, Sao Paulo, Brazil</p><p>Sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. Solla &amp; Raphael Bertani</p></li><li><p>University of São Paulo, Av. Eneas de Carvalho Aguiar 255, São Paulo, Brazil</p><p>Sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. 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Solla, Raphael Bertani\",\"doi\":\"10.1186/s13054-025-05607-0\",\"DOIUrl\":null,\"url\":null,\"abstract\":\"<p><b>To the Editor</b>,</p><p>We found the multicenter TIMING-ICP study by Mariani et al. [1] insightful, as it underscores time-related differences in severe brain injury management and the importance of efficient intracranial pressure (ICP) monitoring workflows. The study elegantly highlights practical time-dependent disparities in the management of severe brain injury and reinforces the need for streamlined workflows in ICP monitoring. While noninvasive multimodality strategies can reduce delays in neurological monitoring, invasive ICP monitoring remains essential in neurocritical care [2]. While we appreciate the authors’ efforts to reduce delays — a goal we strongly support — we respectfully believe some methodological concerns limit the study’s conclusions and clinical applicability.</p><p>The strength of the Timing-ICP study lies in demonstrating that initiating ICP monitoring earlier than current standard practice is feasible and potentially beneficial. However, the choice between monitoring modalities should be based on individual patient needs and the therapeutic capabilities required, not solely on procedural timing. In the study, intensivists treated predominantly severe TBI cases (82% vs. 49%), while neurosurgeons managed more SAH patients (27% vs. 11%). SAH patients typically require EVDs for hydrocephalus management and CSF blood clearance, while most severe TBI patients may be appropriately managed with parenchymal probes (bolts) alone. This indicates that device selection was based on clinical need rather than for study purposes, so comparing timing across different patient groups and situations is inappropriate.</p><p>Although the study utilizes an observational, non-randomized design, it is important to note that it evaluates inherently distinct procedures rather than different practitioners performing the same intervention. External ventricular drains (EVDs), when placed by neurosurgeons, fulfill both diagnostic and therapeutic roles by permitting cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) drainage for immediate ICP reduction. In contrast, bolts are limited to providing monitoring capabilities. While these probes are simpler to place, they do not facilitate CSF drainage—a critical component in the therapeutic management of intracranial hypertension.</p><p>EVDs enable precise ICP measurement and uniquely allow for dynamic regulation of ICP through CSF diversion, which is particularly beneficial for patients presenting with hydrocephalus, subarachnoid hemorrhage, or intraventricular hemorrhage [3]. On the other hand, measured intraparenchymal pressure can differ from ICP measured in the ventricles, with an average difference up to ± 6 mmHg [4]. Additional advantages of EVDs include their utility in CSF sampling for biomarker analysis [5] and the removal of intraventricular blood to enhance CSF flow [6]. EVDs are widely considered the gold standard for both diagnostic and therapeutic applications, especially in cases requiring long-term management of intracranial pressure [7].</p><p>The study inadvertently sheds light on a fundamental issue: patients requiring EVDs (for hydrocephalus, intraventricular hemorrhage, or therapeutic CSF drainage) may face longer delays, regardless of timing optimization efforts. Since EVD placement is inherently more complex than parenchymal probe insertion, higher complication rates in the neurosurgery group would be expected based on procedural differences alone. Therefore, comparing complication incidence between groups is also methodologically flawed and does not provide valid safety comparisons.</p><p>Standardizing procedures, patient profiles, therapeutic intensity, outcome measures, and employing randomized designs could clarify the feasibility of having intensivists implant ICP monitors.</p><p>No datasets were generated or analysed during the current study.</p><ol data-track-component=\\\"outbound reference\\\" data-track-context=\\\"references section\\\"><li data-counter=\\\"1.\\\"><p>Mariani L, Calza S, Gritti P, Zerbi SM, Russo E, Deana C, et al. From indication to initiation of invasive intracranial pressure monitoring time differences between neurosurgeons and intensive care physicians: can intracranial hypertension dose be reduced? TIMING-ICP, a multicenter, observational, prospective study. 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致编者:我们发现Mariani等人的多中心TIMING-ICP研究很有见地,因为它强调了重症脑损伤管理的时间相关差异以及有效颅内压(ICP)监测工作流程的重要性。该研究巧妙地强调了严重脑损伤管理中实际的时间依赖差异,并强调了简化ICP监测工作流程的必要性。虽然非侵入性多模式策略可以减少神经监测的延迟,但侵入性ICP监测在神经危重症护理中仍然至关重要。虽然我们赞赏作者为减少延迟所做的努力——这是我们强烈支持的目标——但我们尊重地认为,一些方法学上的问题限制了研究的结论和临床适用性。定时ICP研究的优势在于证明比目前的标准做法更早开始ICP监测是可行的,并且可能是有益的。然而,监测模式之间的选择应基于个体患者的需求和所需的治疗能力,而不仅仅是程序时间。在这项研究中,重症医师主要治疗严重TBI病例(82%对49%),而神经外科医生治疗更多的SAH患者(27%对11%)。SAH患者通常需要evd来治疗脑积水和脑脊液血液清除,而大多数严重的TBI患者可能仅使用脑本质探针(螺栓)进行适当的治疗。这表明设备的选择是基于临床需要而不是研究目的,因此比较不同患者群体和情况的时间是不合适的。虽然该研究采用了观察性、非随机设计,但值得注意的是,它评估的是固有的不同程序,而不是不同的从业者执行相同的干预措施。脑室外引流管(evd)由神经外科医生放置,通过允许脑脊液(CSF)引流以立即降低颅内压,实现诊断和治疗的双重作用。相比之下,螺栓仅限于提供监测功能。虽然这些探针更容易放置,但它们不能促进脑脊液引流,而脑脊液引流是治疗颅内高压的关键组成部分。evd能够精确测量颅内压,并独特地允许通过脑脊液分流对颅内压进行动态调节,这对出现脑积水、蛛网膜下腔出血或脑室内出血的患者特别有益。另一方面,测量到的脑实质内压可能与在心室测量到的ICP不同,平均差异可达±6 mmHg[4]。evd的其他优点包括其在脑脊液采样中用于生物标志物分析b[5]和去除脑室内血液以增强脑脊液流动b[6]的实用性。evd被广泛认为是诊断和治疗的金标准,特别是在需要长期处理颅内压的病例中。该研究无意中揭示了一个基本问题:需要evd的患者(脑积水、脑室内出血或治疗性脑脊液引流)可能面临更长的延迟,无论时机如何优化。由于EVD放置本身比实质探针插入更复杂,因此仅基于操作差异,神经外科组的并发症发生率可能更高。因此,比较组间并发症发生率在方法学上也是有缺陷的,不能提供有效的安全性比较。标准化的程序、患者概况、治疗强度、结果测量和采用随机设计可以明确强化医师植入ICP监测器的可行性。在本研究中没有生成或分析数据集。Mariani L, Calza S, Gritti P, Zerbi SM, Russo E, Deana C,等。从指征到开始有创颅内压监测神经外科医生和重症监护医生的时间差异:颅内压剂量能降低吗?TIMING-ICP,一项多中心、观察性、前瞻性研究。危重症护理,2025;29(1):237。PubMed PubMed Central b谷歌Scholar Brasil S, Patriota GC, Godoy DA, Paranhos JL, Rubiano AM, Paiva WS。Monro-kellie 4.0:从颅内压转移到颅内动力学。危重护理,2025;29(1):229。PubMed PubMed Central bbb学者刘海,王伟,程峰,袁强,杨军,胡军,等。外伤性脑损伤中脑室外引流与脑实质内颅内压监测:一项前瞻性观察研究。中华神经外科杂志。2015;83(5):794-800。[PubMed]学者Pelah AI, Zakrzewska A, Calviello LA, Forcht Dagi T, Czosnyka Z, Czosnyka M.颅内压监测的准确性-单中心观察研究及文献综述。]传感器(巴塞尔)。2023. https://doi.org/10.3390/s23073397.Article PubMed谷歌学者Bogoslovsky T, Gill J, Jeromin A, Davis C, Diaz-Arrastia R。 外伤性脑损伤的液体生物标志物及其预期使用背景。诊断(巴塞尔)。2016. https://doi.org/10.3390/diagnostics6040037.Article PubMed谷歌学者Haldrup M, Miscov R, Mohamad N, Rasmussen M, Dyrskog S, Simonsen CZ等。脑室外引流和纤溶治疗脑室内出血:并发症和结果的综合系统回顾和荟萃分析。世界神经外科杂志。2023;174:183 - 96[6]。Carney N, Totten AM, O 'Reilly C, Ullman JS, Hawryluk GW, Bell MJ,等。严重创伤性脑损伤管理指南,第四版。神经外科。2017;80(1):6 - 15。作者与单位巴西圣保罗<s:1>圣保罗医学院神经外科实验实验室sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. Solla &amp;Raphael BertaniUniversity of sao Paulo, Av. Eneas de Carvalho Aguiar 255, sao Paulo, brazil, sergio Brasil, Samia Yasin Wayhs, Davi Jorge F. Solla &amp;Raphael BertaniAuthorsSergio BrasilView作者出版物搜索作者on:PubMed谷歌ScholarSamia Yasin WayhsView作者出版物搜索作者on:PubMed谷歌ScholarDavi Jorge F. SollaView作者出版物搜索作者on:PubMed谷歌ScholarRaphael BertaniView作者出版物搜索作者on:PubMed谷歌scholarcontributions所有作者都平等地贡献了论文写作和修改。通讯作者:Sergio Brasil对参与者的伦理批准和同意不适用。发表同意不适用。利益竞争作者声明没有利益竞争。出版方声明:对于已出版地图的管辖权要求和机构关系,普林格·自然保持中立。开放获取本文遵循知识共享署名-非商业-非衍生品4.0国际许可协议,该协议允许以任何媒介或格式进行非商业用途、共享、分发和复制,只要您适当注明原作者和来源,提供知识共享许可协议的链接,并注明您是否修改了许可材料。根据本许可协议,您无权分享源自本文或其部分内容的改编材料。本文中的图像或其他第三方材料包含在文章的知识共享许可协议中,除非在材料的署名中另有说明。如果材料未包含在文章的知识共享许可中,并且您的预期用途不被法律法规允许或超过允许的用途,您将需要直接获得版权所有者的许可。要查看本许可的副本,请访问http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/.Reprints和permissionsCite这篇文章brasil, S., Wayhs, S.Y, Solla, D. et al。注意损耗:扩展时间- icp讨论。危重症护理29,355(2025)。https://doi.org/10.1186/s13054-025-05607-0Download citation收稿日期:2025年8月01日接受日期:2025年8月05日发布日期:2025年8月14日doi: https://doi.org/10.1186/s13054-025-05607-0Share本文任何人与您分享以下链接将能够阅读此内容:获取可共享链接对不起,本文目前没有可共享链接。复制到剪贴板由施普林格自然共享内容倡议提供
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Mind the drain: expanding TIMING-ICP discussion

To the Editor,

We found the multicenter TIMING-ICP study by Mariani et al. [1] insightful, as it underscores time-related differences in severe brain injury management and the importance of efficient intracranial pressure (ICP) monitoring workflows. The study elegantly highlights practical time-dependent disparities in the management of severe brain injury and reinforces the need for streamlined workflows in ICP monitoring. While noninvasive multimodality strategies can reduce delays in neurological monitoring, invasive ICP monitoring remains essential in neurocritical care [2]. While we appreciate the authors’ efforts to reduce delays — a goal we strongly support — we respectfully believe some methodological concerns limit the study’s conclusions and clinical applicability.

The strength of the Timing-ICP study lies in demonstrating that initiating ICP monitoring earlier than current standard practice is feasible and potentially beneficial. However, the choice between monitoring modalities should be based on individual patient needs and the therapeutic capabilities required, not solely on procedural timing. In the study, intensivists treated predominantly severe TBI cases (82% vs. 49%), while neurosurgeons managed more SAH patients (27% vs. 11%). SAH patients typically require EVDs for hydrocephalus management and CSF blood clearance, while most severe TBI patients may be appropriately managed with parenchymal probes (bolts) alone. This indicates that device selection was based on clinical need rather than for study purposes, so comparing timing across different patient groups and situations is inappropriate.

Although the study utilizes an observational, non-randomized design, it is important to note that it evaluates inherently distinct procedures rather than different practitioners performing the same intervention. External ventricular drains (EVDs), when placed by neurosurgeons, fulfill both diagnostic and therapeutic roles by permitting cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) drainage for immediate ICP reduction. In contrast, bolts are limited to providing monitoring capabilities. While these probes are simpler to place, they do not facilitate CSF drainage—a critical component in the therapeutic management of intracranial hypertension.

EVDs enable precise ICP measurement and uniquely allow for dynamic regulation of ICP through CSF diversion, which is particularly beneficial for patients presenting with hydrocephalus, subarachnoid hemorrhage, or intraventricular hemorrhage [3]. On the other hand, measured intraparenchymal pressure can differ from ICP measured in the ventricles, with an average difference up to ± 6 mmHg [4]. Additional advantages of EVDs include their utility in CSF sampling for biomarker analysis [5] and the removal of intraventricular blood to enhance CSF flow [6]. EVDs are widely considered the gold standard for both diagnostic and therapeutic applications, especially in cases requiring long-term management of intracranial pressure [7].

The study inadvertently sheds light on a fundamental issue: patients requiring EVDs (for hydrocephalus, intraventricular hemorrhage, or therapeutic CSF drainage) may face longer delays, regardless of timing optimization efforts. Since EVD placement is inherently more complex than parenchymal probe insertion, higher complication rates in the neurosurgery group would be expected based on procedural differences alone. Therefore, comparing complication incidence between groups is also methodologically flawed and does not provide valid safety comparisons.

Standardizing procedures, patient profiles, therapeutic intensity, outcome measures, and employing randomized designs could clarify the feasibility of having intensivists implant ICP monitors.

No datasets were generated or analysed during the current study.

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Critical Care
Critical Care 医学-危重病医学
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期刊介绍: Critical Care is an esteemed international medical journal that undergoes a rigorous peer-review process to maintain its high quality standards. Its primary objective is to enhance the healthcare services offered to critically ill patients. To achieve this, the journal focuses on gathering, exchanging, disseminating, and endorsing evidence-based information that is highly relevant to intensivists. By doing so, Critical Care seeks to provide a thorough and inclusive examination of the intensive care field.
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