Joanne E Griggs, Richard M Lyon, Martyn Sherriff, Jack W Barrett, Gary Wareham, Ewoud Ter Avest
{"title":"特邀评论:\"识别外伤性大出血对中低风险患者来说具有挑战性,出血明显时则不然\"","authors":"Joanne E Griggs, Richard M Lyon, Martyn Sherriff, Jack W Barrett, Gary Wareham, Ewoud Ter Avest","doi":"10.1186/s13049-023-01162-1","DOIUrl":null,"url":null,"abstract":"<p>We would like to thank the authors for their valuable comments on our study, wherein we investigated how pre-hospital lactate (P-LACT) measurements could be used to predict the need for (ongoing) in-hospital blood product transfusion in patients attended by HEMS with major traumatic haemorrhage.</p><p>As mentioned in our article, the algorithm we developed is a decision <i>support</i> tool, which means that it should be used in conjunction with other parameters, such as clinical gestalt in a heuristic approach to estimate transfusion requirements. The cut-off value of a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l used in our population yielded a sensitivity of 80% (corresponding to a low probability of major haemorrhage as the authors rightly mention), and hence was inadequate to be used in isolation. The SOP in our service states that a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l is used in conjunction with an SBP > 100mmHg to identify patients who have a low probability of major hemorrhage. This is supported by a recent publication of Gaessler et al. (2023) wherein the authors show that P-LACT and SBP are complimentary in terms of predictive probability [1].</p><p>To identify patients with a high likelihood of major haemorrhage requiring in-hospital transfusion, a P-LACT of 6.0 mmol/l was used, as at this this point the predicted probability curve (Fig. 2 in our original article) starts to flatten: using a higher cut-off would not have yielded a higher specificity, whereas a lower cut-off would have dropped specificity whilst not yielding a much higher proportion of the population meeting the cut-off criteria (n = 13, 6.7% for a lactate of 6.0 mmol/l vs. n = 17, 8.7% for a lactate of 5.5 mmol/l). Although we agree that it is likely that many patients with a lactate > 6.0 mmol/l will show clinical signs of shock, 5/13 patients had an SBP > 100 mmHg on first occasion, two of whom also did not exhibit tachycardia. In these patients P-LACT may still be a useful tool. Despite this however, the major challenge remains to identify the bleeding patients in the P-LACT group of 2.5-6 mmol/l, and serial measurements may be the way forward in this group.</p><p>Finally, we acknowledge that transfusion requirement is not always a good surrogate to use for outcome, especially not when confounding by indication may be present: using lactate may result in transfusing more patients in the pre-hospital setting, which again may result in a lower threshold to continue transfusion in-hospital. However, as 2/3 of the patients in our cohort received a massive transfusion (> 10 units PRBC within 24 h) rather than a major transfusion, we think transfusion requirement was a reasonable surrogate for risk of death from bleeding in our population. We agree however, that ideally outcome studies should be performed using hard endpoints to confirm this.</p><p>Not applicable.</p><ol data-track-component=\"outbound reference\"><li data-counter=\"1.\"><p>Gaessler H, Helm M, Kulla M, et al. Prehospital predictors of the need for transfusion in patients with major trauma. Eur J Trauma Emerg Surg. 2023;49:803–12.</p><p>Article PubMed Google Scholar </p></li></ol><p>Download references<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" height=\"16\" role=\"img\" width=\"16\"><use xlink:href=\"#icon-eds-i-download-medium\" xmlns:xlink=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\"></use></svg></p><p>None.</p><p>No external funding was received for this study.</p><h3>Authors and Affiliations</h3><ol><li><p>Air Ambulance Charity Kent Surrey Sussex, Hanger 10 Redhill Aerodrome, Redhill, RH1 5YP, UK</p><p>Joanne E Griggs, Richard M Lyon, Gary Wareham & Ewoud Ter Avest</p></li><li><p>School of Health Sciences, University of Surrey, Priestley Rd, Guildford, GU2 7YH, UK</p><p>Joanne E Griggs & Richard M Lyon</p></li><li><p>Bristol Dental School, Faculty of Health Sciences, University of Bristol, Child Dental Health, Lower Maudlin Street, Bristol, BS1 2LY, UK</p><p>Martyn Sherriff</p></li><li><p>South East Coast Ambulance NHS Foundation Trust, Neptune House, Gatwick, RH10 9BG, Surrey, UK</p><p>Jack W Barrett</p></li><li><p>Department of Emergency Medicine, University Medical Center Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands</p><p>Ewoud Ter Avest</p></li></ol><span>Authors</span><ol><li><span>Joanne E Griggs</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li><li><span>Richard M Lyon</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li><li><span>Martyn Sherriff</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li><li><span>Jack W Barrett</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li><li><span>Gary Wareham</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li><li><span>Ewoud Ter Avest</span>View author publications<p>You can also search for this author in <span>PubMed<span> </span>Google Scholar</span></p></li></ol><h3>Contributions</h3><p>JG/EtA initiated the original project. 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commentary: “Identifying traumatic significant haemorrhage is challenging for patient with low and intermediate risk, not when bleeding is obvious”. <i>Scand J Trauma Resusc Emerg Med</i> <b>31</b>, 98 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s13049-023-01162-1</p><p>Download citation<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" height=\"16\" role=\"img\" width=\"16\"><use xlink:href=\"#icon-eds-i-download-medium\" xmlns:xlink=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\"></use></svg></p><ul data-test=\"publication-history\"><li><p>Received<span>: </span><span><time datetime=\"2023-11-26\">26 November 2023</time></span></p></li><li><p>Accepted<span>: </span><span><time datetime=\"2023-11-27\">27 November 2023</time></span></p></li><li><p>Published<span>: </span><span><time datetime=\"2023-12-12\">12 December 2023</time></span></p></li><li><p>DOI</abbr><span>: </span><span>https://doi.org/10.1186/s13049-023-01162-1</span></p></li></ul><h3>Share this article</h3><p>Anyone you share the following link with 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significant haemorrhage is challenging for patient with low and intermediate risk, not when bleeding is obvious”\",\"authors\":\"Joanne E Griggs, Richard M Lyon, Martyn Sherriff, Jack W Barrett, Gary Wareham, Ewoud Ter Avest\",\"doi\":\"10.1186/s13049-023-01162-1\",\"DOIUrl\":null,\"url\":null,\"abstract\":\"<p>We would like to thank the authors for their valuable comments on our study, wherein we investigated how pre-hospital lactate (P-LACT) measurements could be used to predict the need for (ongoing) in-hospital blood product transfusion in patients attended by HEMS with major traumatic haemorrhage.</p><p>As mentioned in our article, the algorithm we developed is a decision <i>support</i> tool, which means that it should be used in conjunction with other parameters, such as clinical gestalt in a heuristic approach to estimate transfusion requirements. The cut-off value of a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l used in our population yielded a sensitivity of 80% (corresponding to a low probability of major haemorrhage as the authors rightly mention), and hence was inadequate to be used in isolation. The SOP in our service states that a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l is used in conjunction with an SBP > 100mmHg to identify patients who have a low probability of major hemorrhage. This is supported by a recent publication of Gaessler et al. (2023) wherein the authors show that P-LACT and SBP are complimentary in terms of predictive probability [1].</p><p>To identify patients with a high likelihood of major haemorrhage requiring in-hospital transfusion, a P-LACT of 6.0 mmol/l was used, as at this this point the predicted probability curve (Fig. 2 in our original article) starts to flatten: using a higher cut-off would not have yielded a higher specificity, whereas a lower cut-off would have dropped specificity whilst not yielding a much higher proportion of the population meeting the cut-off criteria (n = 13, 6.7% for a lactate of 6.0 mmol/l vs. n = 17, 8.7% for a lactate of 5.5 mmol/l). Although we agree that it is likely that many patients with a lactate > 6.0 mmol/l will show clinical signs of shock, 5/13 patients had an SBP > 100 mmHg on first occasion, two of whom also did not exhibit tachycardia. In these patients P-LACT may still be a useful tool. Despite this however, the major challenge remains to identify the bleeding patients in the P-LACT group of 2.5-6 mmol/l, and serial measurements may be the way forward in this group.</p><p>Finally, we acknowledge that transfusion requirement is not always a good surrogate to use for outcome, especially not when confounding by indication may be present: using lactate may result in transfusing more patients in the pre-hospital setting, which again may result in a lower threshold to continue transfusion in-hospital. However, as 2/3 of the patients in our cohort received a massive transfusion (> 10 units PRBC within 24 h) rather than a major transfusion, we think transfusion requirement was a reasonable surrogate for risk of death from bleeding in our population. We agree however, that ideally outcome studies should be performed using hard endpoints to confirm this.</p><p>Not applicable.</p><ol data-track-component=\\\"outbound reference\\\"><li data-counter=\\\"1.\\\"><p>Gaessler H, Helm M, Kulla M, et al. Prehospital predictors of the need for transfusion in patients with major trauma. 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正如我们在文章中提到的,我们所开发的算法是一种决策支持工具,这意味着它应与其他参数(如临床态势)结合使用,以启发式方法来估计输血需求。我们在人群中使用的 P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l 临界值的灵敏度为 80%(正如作者正确提到的,大出血的概率较低),因此不足以单独使用。我们服务的标准操作程序规定,P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l 与 SBP > 100 mmHg 结合使用,可识别大出血概率较低的患者。Gaessler 等人最近发表的一篇文章(2023 年)证实了这一点,作者在该文章中指出,P-LACT 和 SBP 在预测概率方面是相辅相成的[1]。为了识别大出血可能性较高且需要院内输血的患者,P-LACT 被用于 6.0 mmol/l,因为在这一点上,预测概率曲线(我们原文中的图 2)开始发生变化。如果采用较高的临界值,则特异性不会提高;如果采用较低的临界值,则特异性会降低,同时符合临界值标准的人群比例也不会大幅提高(乳酸为 6.0 mmol/l 时,n = 13,6.7%;乳酸为 5.5 mmol/l 时,n = 17,8.7%)。虽然我们同意许多乳酸浓度为 6.0 mmol/l 的患者可能会出现休克的临床表现,但有 5/13 名患者的首次 SBP 为 100 mmHg,其中两名患者还没有出现心动过速。对于这些患者,P-LACT 可能仍然是一个有用的工具。最后,我们承认,输血需求并不总是一个很好的结果代用指标,尤其是在可能存在适应症混淆的情况下:使用乳酸可能会导致更多患者在院前接受输血,而这又可能导致院内继续输血的阈值降低。不过,由于我们队列中有 2/3 的患者接受了大量输血(24 小时内 10 单位 PRBC),而非主要输血,因此我们认为输血需求是我们人群中出血死亡风险的合理替代指标。但我们同意,理想的结果研究应该使用硬终点来证实这一点。Eur J Trauma Emerg Surg. 2023;49:803-12.Article PubMed Google Scholar Download referencesNone.本研究未获得外部资助。作者和所属单位空中救护慈善机构肯特萨里苏塞克斯,10号机库红山航空港,红山,RH1 5YP,英国Joanne E Griggs,Richard M Lyon,Gary Wareham & Ewoud Ter AvestSchool of Health Sciences,University of Surrey,Priestley Rd,Guildford,GU2 7YH,英国Joanne E Griggs &;Richard M LyonBristol Dental School, Faculty of Health Sciences, University of Bristol, Child Dental Health, Lower Maudlin Street, Bristol, BS1 2LY, UKMartyn SherriffSouth East Coast Ambulance NHS Foundation Trust, Neptune House, Gatwick, RH10 9BG, Surrey, UKJack W BarrettDepartment of Emergency Medicine, University Medical Center Groningen, Groningen、Ewoud Ter Avest作者Joanne E Griggs查看作者发表的论文您也可以在PubMed Google Scholar中搜索该作者Richard M Lyon查看作者发表的论文您也可以在PubMed Google Scholar中搜索该作者Martyn Sherriff查看作者发表的论文您也可以在PubMed Google Scholar中搜索该作者Jack W Barrett查看作者发表的论文W BarrettView 作者发表的作品您也可以在 PubMed Google Scholar 中搜索该作者Gary WarehamView 作者发表的作品您也可以在 PubMed Google Scholar 中搜索该作者Ewoud Ter AvestView 作者发表的作品您也可以在 PubMed Google Scholar 中搜索该作者ContributionsJG/EtA发起了最初的项目。EtA 起草了评论。通讯作者Joanne E Griggs.伦理批准和参与同意书不适用.出版同意书不适用.竞争利益无.出版者注释Springer Nature对已出版地图中的管辖权主张和机构隶属关系保持中立.开放获取本文采用知识共享署名 4.0.1.1 许可协议进行许可。
Invited commentary: “Identifying traumatic significant haemorrhage is challenging for patient with low and intermediate risk, not when bleeding is obvious”
We would like to thank the authors for their valuable comments on our study, wherein we investigated how pre-hospital lactate (P-LACT) measurements could be used to predict the need for (ongoing) in-hospital blood product transfusion in patients attended by HEMS with major traumatic haemorrhage.
As mentioned in our article, the algorithm we developed is a decision support tool, which means that it should be used in conjunction with other parameters, such as clinical gestalt in a heuristic approach to estimate transfusion requirements. The cut-off value of a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l used in our population yielded a sensitivity of 80% (corresponding to a low probability of major haemorrhage as the authors rightly mention), and hence was inadequate to be used in isolation. The SOP in our service states that a P-LACT < 2.5 mmol/l is used in conjunction with an SBP > 100mmHg to identify patients who have a low probability of major hemorrhage. This is supported by a recent publication of Gaessler et al. (2023) wherein the authors show that P-LACT and SBP are complimentary in terms of predictive probability [1].
To identify patients with a high likelihood of major haemorrhage requiring in-hospital transfusion, a P-LACT of 6.0 mmol/l was used, as at this this point the predicted probability curve (Fig. 2 in our original article) starts to flatten: using a higher cut-off would not have yielded a higher specificity, whereas a lower cut-off would have dropped specificity whilst not yielding a much higher proportion of the population meeting the cut-off criteria (n = 13, 6.7% for a lactate of 6.0 mmol/l vs. n = 17, 8.7% for a lactate of 5.5 mmol/l). Although we agree that it is likely that many patients with a lactate > 6.0 mmol/l will show clinical signs of shock, 5/13 patients had an SBP > 100 mmHg on first occasion, two of whom also did not exhibit tachycardia. In these patients P-LACT may still be a useful tool. Despite this however, the major challenge remains to identify the bleeding patients in the P-LACT group of 2.5-6 mmol/l, and serial measurements may be the way forward in this group.
Finally, we acknowledge that transfusion requirement is not always a good surrogate to use for outcome, especially not when confounding by indication may be present: using lactate may result in transfusing more patients in the pre-hospital setting, which again may result in a lower threshold to continue transfusion in-hospital. However, as 2/3 of the patients in our cohort received a massive transfusion (> 10 units PRBC within 24 h) rather than a major transfusion, we think transfusion requirement was a reasonable surrogate for risk of death from bleeding in our population. We agree however, that ideally outcome studies should be performed using hard endpoints to confirm this.
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Joanne E Griggs, Richard M Lyon, Gary Wareham & Ewoud Ter Avest
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South East Coast Ambulance NHS Foundation Trust, Neptune House, Gatwick, RH10 9BG, Surrey, UK
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Department of Emergency Medicine, University Medical Center Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands
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Griggs, J.E., Lyon, R.M., Sherriff, M. et al. Invited commentary: “Identifying traumatic significant haemorrhage is challenging for patient with low and intermediate risk, not when bleeding is obvious”. Scand J Trauma Resusc Emerg Med31, 98 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s13049-023-01162-1
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