写作,赌徒的艺术:与Chigozie Obioma的对话

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Darlington Chibueze Anuonye, Chigozie Obioma
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Darlington Chibueze Anuonye: 2015年,在你28岁的时候,你出版了《渔民》,获得了全球的赞誉,并入围了当年的布克奖(WLT, 2015年11月,63)。自1969年首次设立布克奖以来,这是布克奖第二年向英国、英联邦、爱尔兰共和国和津巴布韦以外的国家颁发奖项。在这样的国际比赛中脱颖而出,你在文学上取得了坚实的成功,这引起了许多苦苦挣扎的非洲年轻作家的共鸣,他们从你的年轻和你的天赋中看到了他们梦想的真实性。2019年,当《少数民族管弦乐队》入围布克奖决赛时,你成为少数几位不止一次入围该奖项的非洲作家之一。布克奖对你的职业生涯有什么影响?奇戈齐·奥比奥马:谢谢你的溢美之词。我想你现在已经知道写作并不容易:它是艺术,因此是一场赌博。没有人一开始就知道自己的作品会被怎样看待。你可以预感到一些积极的事情会发生,但你必须简单地面对工作,并确保你实现了你的艺术愿景。现在,让我强调一下“艺术视野”这个词。这只是一幅整体的肖像,一幅未写的地图,在你的脑海中,关于你所说的工作和你想要实现的目标。根据我自己的经验,地图/愿景总是如此宏大,有时甚至会让人无法抗拒。所以,我在写作领域的工作实际上就是尽可能忠实地满足愿景。大多数时候,如果我实现了最初设想的50%,这项工作对我来说就是成功的。但理想情况是60%到70%。我不相信任何项目都能全面实现这一愿景。也许,在某种程度上,我可能会尝试这样做,但我也担心自己过度劳累。那么,我在这里说的是什么?我认为在我的作品中吸引人们的——如果有什么吸引人的——是一种我试图与一些重大而有意义的东西作斗争的感觉,即使只是对我和我的人有意义,就像奥迪纳尼在《少数民族管弦乐队》中的情况一样。从本质上讲,我认为这可能就是为什么两部小说都获得了布克奖和世界各地其他奖项的认可。当然,这个奖项会改变人们的生活。如果不是布克奖,我相信今天不会有人读我的书。即使是长名单,由于大量的报道,也会给你带来如此多的读者,更不用说短名单了。所以,我非常幸运,也非常感激,这就是为什么我毫不犹豫地同意担任这个奖项的评委,因为它对我和我的作家生涯都有很大的帮助。Anuonye:你告诉Amanda Curtin,你写《渔民》是为了表达你两个哥哥之间的爱情,他们在青少年时期相处得不太好,同时也是对尼日利亚前独立国家和部落之间错综复杂的关系的评论。我对那个疯子很感兴趣。关于他作为殖民主义力量的象征性特征已经说了很多,但我现在认为他只是一个需要康复的病人。我认为,如果读者把这个角色读成一个生活在创伤空间里的病人,他们可能会欣赏这个角色的人性。对疯子心理健康的忽视难道没有引发我们如何对待社会上的精神病患者的问题吗?奥比奥马:我希望在我的风格中体现的一件事是,我用符号和隐喻来思考。即使在日常的演讲中,我有时也只能通过类比来表达自己。所以,类比,比喻的语言,对我来说几乎是自然而然的。因此,对我来说,阿布鲁……
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Writing, the Gambler's Art: A Conversation with Chigozie Obioma
Writing, the Gambler's ArtA Conversation with Chigozie Obioma Darlington Chibueze Anuonye (bio) and Chigozie Obioma (bio) Click for larger view View full resolution Photo by UNL Photography Darlington Chibueze Anuonye: In 2015, at the age of twenty-eight, you published The Fishermen to global acclaim, and it was shortlisted for the Booker Prize that year (WLT, Nov. 2015, 63). That was the second year in which the Booker, since its first award in 1969, extended beyond the UK, the Commonwealth, the Republic of Ireland, and Zimbabwe. By emerging as a finalist in such an international competition, you achieved a solid literary success that resonated with many struggling young African writers who saw in both your youth and your gift a testament to the validity of their dreams. When An Orchestra of Minorities emerged as a finalist for the Booker Prize in 2019, you became one of the few African authors to be shortlisted more than once for the prize. What are the impacts of the Booker recognition on your career? Chigozie Obioma: Thank you for your kind words. I think you know by now that writing is not easy: it is art, and therefore a gamble. No one ever sets out knowing how their work will be received. You can have a hunch that something positive can happen, but you must simply face the work and make sure you realize your artistic vision beyond all else. Now, let me emphasize the term "artistic vision." This is simply the wholistic portrait, a kind of unwritten map, you have in your mind concerning said work and what you want to achieve with it. In my own experience, that map/vision is always so grand it can be sometimes overpowering. So, my work when in the field of writing is actually all about trying to meet the vision as faithfully as possible. Most of the time, if I achieve 50 percent of the initial vision, the work is a success to me. But the ideal is 60 to 70 percent. I don't believe it is possible to achieve the vision at full scale for any project ever. Perhaps, at some point I might try this, but I'm also wary of overexerting myself. So, what am I saying here? I think what appeals to people in my work—if anything appeals—is a sense that I have tried to grapple with something big and significant, even if just significant to me and my people, as is the case of Odinani in An Orchestra of Minorities. In essence, I think this is perhaps why both novels have gained recognition from the Booker Prize and other prizes around the world. Of course, the prize changes lives. I don't believe anyone would be reading me today if not for the Booker. Even a longlist, due to massive coverage, brings you so many readers, let alone a shortlisting. So, I've [End Page 44] been very lucky and very grateful, which was why I agreed without hesitation to judge the prize since it has done so much for me and my career as a writer. Anuonye: You told Amanda Curtin that you wrote The Fishermen as a tribute to the love growing between two of your older brothers who did not get along so well as teenagers, as well as a commentary on the checkered relationship between the previously independent nations and tribes that make up Nigeria. I am interested in the madman. So much has been said about his symbolic characterization as the force of colonialism, but I am thinking of him now simply as a sick man in need of rehabilitation. I think readers may appreciate the character's humanity if he is read as a sick body living in a traumatic space. Does the neglect of the madman's mental health not raise questions about how we treat the mentally ill in our society? Obioma: One of the things that manifests in my style, I hope, is that I think in symbols and metaphors. Even in ordinary-day speeches, I sometimes can only express myself through analogies. So, analogies, figurative language, almost come naturally to me. Therefore, for me, Abulu...
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