Neurology, Cognition, Cognitive Screenings and Audiology, Part 1

Douglas L. Beck
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Perspectives With Dr. Beck, neurology, cognition, cognitive screening, James Galvin.Results from Johns Hopkins University’s Aging and Cognitive Health Evaluation in Elders (ACHIEVE) study linking the use of hearing aids to a more slowed cognitive decline were recently published in The Lancet, leaving audiologists grappling with how involved they should be in their patients’ cognitive screenings. Dr. Beck speaks with James E. Galvin, MD, MPH, in a two-part interview covering the nuanced topic of audiology’s relationship with cognition. Dr. Galvin is the Alexandria and Bernard Schoninger Endowed Chair in Memory Disorders and Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. He is Founding Director of the Comprehensive Center for Brain Health, Director and Principal Investigator of the Lewy Body Dementia Research Center of Excellence, and Chief of the Division of Cognitive Neurology leading brain health and neurodegenerative disease research and clinical programs. Dr. Beck: Good morning, Jim. Thanks for meeting with me today. Dr. Galvin: Hi, Doug. Thanks for inviting me. Dr. Beck: Entirely my pleasure! By way of disclosure, I want to report that you and I met in 2022, before I retired as VP of Clinical Sciences at Cognivue, Inc. At that time you were an advisor on the Cognivue clinical advisory board, and I was always very interested in your thoughts on contemporary issues. Before we get into the clinical issues, where did you go to medical school? Dr. Galvin: I went to medical school at what is now Rutgers University, but when I attended it was called The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey – New Jersey Medical School in Newark, NJ. Dr. Beck: And because you’re a professor of both neurology and psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, it seems I should ask…did you do a fellowship in both disciplines, neurology and psychiatry? How does that work? Dr. Galvin: The way it works is the Board is the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology is the one board for both disciplines. It can be confusing, but generally, the practitioner becomes Board Certified in one discipline, and for me that’s neurology, although members can do a residency in neurology or psychiatry or they can be “double-boarded” and do both neuro-psychiatry, but again, most partitioners choose one discipline. Dr. Beck: Thanks, Jim. As we’re progressing through this fascinating decade, an increasing number of hearing care professionals (HCPs) are referring to, and working with, physicians regarding mild cognitive impairment (MCI) and dementia. Let’s start with how many neurologists are in the USA? Dr. Galvin: The census varies with the source, but I would guess about 14-15 thousand, and clearly that’s nowhere near enough! And just for comparison, there are probably five or six times as many psychiatrists. The NIH (2021) reports (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7884982/) that although the number of neurologists varies by region, the prevalence of neurologic conditions across the country remains fairly constant, and there is an increasing need for more neurologists. They also note that as the small supply of neurologists has slightly increased (only some 2% of physicians are neurologists) more attention has been focused on dementia, pain, and stroke, while other areas seem to get less attention, including Parkinson’s disease and multiple sclerosis. And many of the areas with heightened attention are due to the increased life span and the aging of the population. Dr. Beck: Why do you think so few people go into neurology? Dr. Galvin: We’re a quirky bunch. Traditionally, neurologists were the doctors who knew everything but could do nothing about it. It was a very ‘cerebral’ discipline where we focused on the differential diagnosis, but we had few treatment options available to us. That has obviously changed over the past decade with many exciting and effective interventions for seizures, strokes, multiple sclerosis, peripheral neuropathies, and now also for Alzheimer’s disease. Also, neurology is a relatively low-reimbursement specialty, so that doesn’t help attract a lot of new talent! Dr. Beck: And of those neurologists who are practicing, what percentage address cognition, MCI, dementia, and cognitive screenings as their primary professional area? Dr. Galvin: Those specific areas are generally referred to as Cognitive and Behavioral Neurology, and as we just mentioned, these areas are experiencing some growth, but again the numbers are relatively small. Dr. Beck: The American Academy of Audiology (AAA) and the American Speech Language Hearing Association (ASHA) both state that cognitive screenings are within the Scope of Practice of audiology. As such, I’m curious as to whether you’ve seen direct referrals from audiologists, or do audiologists primarily refer their at-risk patients back to their PCPs? Dr. Galvin: My patients come from a large array of referral sources; most of my referrals come from Internal Medicine. I get referrals from other neurologists and psychiatrists, and I think you’d be surprised at how many patients simply ask Dr. Google what this or that might be, or what it might mean, and they self-refer. And as you would expect, we get referrals from ENT, Neurosurgery, General Surgery, and more, as they often recognize something is not quite right. Of the non-physician specialties, we get referrals from Occupational and Physical Therapy, too. Dr. Beck: So it seems Social Workers, Speech-Language Pathologists and Audiologists are referring their patients to the primary care doctor? Dr. Galvin: Yes, it looks that way from my practice. And as you know, depending on the way their insurance plans are structured, many patients can’t go directly to a neurologist without first seeing their primary care physician (PCPs) to obtain a referral. Dr. Beck: At which point does the PCP refer the patient to neurology? Dr. Galvin: That varies quite a bit. Some PCPs are content to diagnose, treat, and manage their patients across the spectrum of disease, others are not. Sometimes, the PCP has been successfully managing the patient, but suddenly the situation becomes more complicated, so they refer, and sometimes, the loved one or the family is simply pushing for a referral to a specialist. Dr. Beck: And so in all probability, more MCI and dementia patients are being managed by PCPs, than neurologists? Dr. Galvin: Yes, absolutely. This seems due to practice preferences and due to the sheer numbers of PCPs compared to neurologists. In some areas, the neurologist will only do the initial consultation and then send the patient back to the PCP for management. Dr. Beck: And how often do referred people come to you with a “non-normative” screening result, or a positive cognitive screening result? Dr. Galvin: That’s an interesting situation. We’ve done two different studies based on Electronic Health Records (EHRs). Turns out fewer than 25% of seniors have received their annual wellness visit, and to your specific question, actual cognitive screenings or formal diagnostic cognitive assessments are only done on some 25% of referred patients. It is possible some clinicians are doing screenings or diagnostic tests, and for some reason not reporting them, but from what we can see in the EHR, it’s a small percentage. I’d like to see more audiologists and SLPs screen and refer, that would help get the patients to their physicians much sooner for diagnosis and treatment. Dr. Beck: Any thoughts as to why the EHR numbers are so small? Dr. Galvin: Most of medicine is consumer driven. As such, the doctor doesn’t look for everything unless the patient (or family member) complains about a problem. And as you know, Doug, The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) in December of 2020 said more research is needed before they can make a recommendation to screen or not to screen for dementia. Dr. Beck: I don’t want to get political, but in 2021 they said pretty much the same thing about screening hearing loss in older adults, which is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Dr. Galvin: Yes, but they do drive and influence clinical decision making and ultimately payments and reimbursements for the same. It’s an interesting situation. Dr. Beck: Jim, I recall some 40 years ago when I was doing a pediatric rotation, a wise pediatric otolaryngologist said to the class, something like, “When the mom tells you there’s something wrong with her child, there is almost always something wrong. However, YOU (we were all graduate students) may not be smart enough to figure out what the problem is!” That certainly gave us all pause! So then, regarding MCI, dementia, and cognitive disorders, when the loved one/significant other/carer says something is wrong with mom/dad/whomever, is there usually something wrong? Dr. Galvin: Yes. Almost always. The loved-one recognizing a problem is almost always a more sensitive measure than the physician or the patient themselves recognizing the problem. The person who lives with the patient every day is going to have many more observations across more situations, and so they are more likely to see and notice the unusual activity or event, how the patient may be changing, and how that change interferes with their everyday activities. The physician is trying to make decisions based on a snapshot in time, and often the patient won’t notice a deficit as it may come on very slowly over months or years, particularly if the patient doesn’t complain about it. As I mentioned, much of practice of medicine is consumer driven. When you see your PCP, the first question the doctor asks is usually along the lines of “How have you been since your last visit?” This is the time for the patient to speak about their existing problems and bring up new ones. Dr. Beck: And the observed problems or deficits we’re speaking of are Activities of Daily Living (ADLs) such as the ability to dress, groom, bathe, drive, feed yourself, toilet yourself, things like that? Dr. Galvin: Yes. Those are some of the basic ADL concerns, but those complaints are generally associated with more advanced disease—PCPs are less likely to miss these things. In early stages, the first things that are noticed are in other complicated instrumental activities of daily living such as managing bills, checkbooks, banking, cooking, and cleaning, and using household appliances. These are all areas where deficits might appear, as the patient loses functional independence and these are often observed by the loved one first. These will not be apparent on physical exam so the PCP really needs someone to tell them about these changes—either the patient, or more commonly a family member. As ADLs become more difficult for the individual, they change from the MCI stage into the early dementia stage, as they lose functional independence, and they need other people to take care of more things. Dr. Beck: I’m curious to get your thoughts on the 12 potentially modifiable risk factors for dementia identified by Dr Livingston and colleagues in the 2020 Lancet? For those unfamiliar with the study, the report indicated that 60% of dementia risk is due to aging and DNA, and the other 40% may be due to 12 potentially modifiable risk factors; less education, untreated hypertension, untreated hearing impairment, smoking, obesity, depression, physical inactivity, diabetes, low social contact, excessive alcohol consumption, traumatic brain injury, and air pollution (https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30367-6). As most of us know, untreated hearing loss was the most significant of the potentially modifiable risk factors. However, I was surprised that untreated visual loss didn’t make the list, as there are many articles indicating that dual sensory loss (hearing and vision) can significantly impact cognitive health. Nianogo and colleagues (2022) published their review of almost 400 thousand people in JAMA (JAMA Neurol. 2022;79(6):584-591. https://doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2022.0976) in which they identified the three most prominently modifiable risk factors as midlife obesity, physical inactivity, and low education. Of course, these two studies overlap in many respects, but hearing loss didn’t show up as the largest potentially modifiable risk factor in the 2022 study, and vision wasn’t in the 2020 study. Your thoughts, please? Dr. Galvin: Those of us in academics and clinical science always must examine the literature carefully to determine which parts we embrace and which parts we may not. The two studies you mentioned are both well respected and well documented, but they have slightly different conclusions. Then again, they studied different populations at different times, in different cities and more, so I think they both have a lot of very solid take-aways. Nonetheless, there are other risk factors not on the list of 12 which are important, and there are some which are on the list that are not as important. And so all of this is useful, and it seems more than obvious that there is a connection between untreated sensorineural hearing loss and cognition. Regarding visual loss, primary retinal disease seems to potentially impact cognitive issues, but I haven’t read as much regarding front of the eye correlations (e.g., cataracts, scleritis) with cognitive issues. Yet, any sensory loss has the potential to heighten cognitive problems, even if those specific problems are not the actual cause of the cognitive problem. If you cannot see, hear, smell, taste, or feel, those sensory problems will make your overall situation worse. Dr. Beck: Thanks, Jim. I absolutely appreciate your time and vast knowledge on these issues. Let’s do this again next month and we’ll get into the pharmaceutical options recently approved by the FDA regarding realistic expectations and outcomes. Dr. Galvin: Thanks, Doug. Always nice to work with you. Thoughts on something you read here? 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Welcome to the first installment of our new column, Perspectives With Dr. Beck. With career experience spanning the roles of Audiology program director and adjunct professor, private practice co-founder, Editor-in-Chief, society web content editor, and industry manufacturer consultant, Dr. Douglas L. Beck brings his unique wealth of insight to The Hearing Journal through interviews with leading industry experts and in-depth articles exploring audiology’s most significant challenges and opportunities.www.shutterstock.com. Perspectives With Dr. Beck, neurology, cognition, cognitive screening, James Galvin.James E. Galvin, MD, MPH. Perspectives With Dr. Beck, neurology, cognition, cognitive screening, James Galvin.Results from Johns Hopkins University’s Aging and Cognitive Health Evaluation in Elders (ACHIEVE) study linking the use of hearing aids to a more slowed cognitive decline were recently published in The Lancet, leaving audiologists grappling with how involved they should be in their patients’ cognitive screenings. Dr. Beck speaks with James E. Galvin, MD, MPH, in a two-part interview covering the nuanced topic of audiology’s relationship with cognition. Dr. Galvin is the Alexandria and Bernard Schoninger Endowed Chair in Memory Disorders and Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. He is Founding Director of the Comprehensive Center for Brain Health, Director and Principal Investigator of the Lewy Body Dementia Research Center of Excellence, and Chief of the Division of Cognitive Neurology leading brain health and neurodegenerative disease research and clinical programs. Dr. Beck: Good morning, Jim. Thanks for meeting with me today. Dr. Galvin: Hi, Doug. Thanks for inviting me. Dr. Beck: Entirely my pleasure! By way of disclosure, I want to report that you and I met in 2022, before I retired as VP of Clinical Sciences at Cognivue, Inc. At that time you were an advisor on the Cognivue clinical advisory board, and I was always very interested in your thoughts on contemporary issues. Before we get into the clinical issues, where did you go to medical school? Dr. Galvin: I went to medical school at what is now Rutgers University, but when I attended it was called The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey – New Jersey Medical School in Newark, NJ. Dr. Beck: And because you’re a professor of both neurology and psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, it seems I should ask…did you do a fellowship in both disciplines, neurology and psychiatry? How does that work? Dr. Galvin: The way it works is the Board is the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology is the one board for both disciplines. It can be confusing, but generally, the practitioner becomes Board Certified in one discipline, and for me that’s neurology, although members can do a residency in neurology or psychiatry or they can be “double-boarded” and do both neuro-psychiatry, but again, most partitioners choose one discipline. Dr. Beck: Thanks, Jim. As we’re progressing through this fascinating decade, an increasing number of hearing care professionals (HCPs) are referring to, and working with, physicians regarding mild cognitive impairment (MCI) and dementia. Let’s start with how many neurologists are in the USA? Dr. Galvin: The census varies with the source, but I would guess about 14-15 thousand, and clearly that’s nowhere near enough! And just for comparison, there are probably five or six times as many psychiatrists. The NIH (2021) reports (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7884982/) that although the number of neurologists varies by region, the prevalence of neurologic conditions across the country remains fairly constant, and there is an increasing need for more neurologists. They also note that as the small supply of neurologists has slightly increased (only some 2% of physicians are neurologists) more attention has been focused on dementia, pain, and stroke, while other areas seem to get less attention, including Parkinson’s disease and multiple sclerosis. And many of the areas with heightened attention are due to the increased life span and the aging of the population. Dr. Beck: Why do you think so few people go into neurology? Dr. Galvin: We’re a quirky bunch. Traditionally, neurologists were the doctors who knew everything but could do nothing about it. It was a very ‘cerebral’ discipline where we focused on the differential diagnosis, but we had few treatment options available to us. That has obviously changed over the past decade with many exciting and effective interventions for seizures, strokes, multiple sclerosis, peripheral neuropathies, and now also for Alzheimer’s disease. Also, neurology is a relatively low-reimbursement specialty, so that doesn’t help attract a lot of new talent! Dr. Beck: And of those neurologists who are practicing, what percentage address cognition, MCI, dementia, and cognitive screenings as their primary professional area? Dr. Galvin: Those specific areas are generally referred to as Cognitive and Behavioral Neurology, and as we just mentioned, these areas are experiencing some growth, but again the numbers are relatively small. Dr. Beck: The American Academy of Audiology (AAA) and the American Speech Language Hearing Association (ASHA) both state that cognitive screenings are within the Scope of Practice of audiology. As such, I’m curious as to whether you’ve seen direct referrals from audiologists, or do audiologists primarily refer their at-risk patients back to their PCPs? Dr. Galvin: My patients come from a large array of referral sources; most of my referrals come from Internal Medicine. I get referrals from other neurologists and psychiatrists, and I think you’d be surprised at how many patients simply ask Dr. Google what this or that might be, or what it might mean, and they self-refer. And as you would expect, we get referrals from ENT, Neurosurgery, General Surgery, and more, as they often recognize something is not quite right. Of the non-physician specialties, we get referrals from Occupational and Physical Therapy, too. Dr. Beck: So it seems Social Workers, Speech-Language Pathologists and Audiologists are referring their patients to the primary care doctor? Dr. Galvin: Yes, it looks that way from my practice. And as you know, depending on the way their insurance plans are structured, many patients can’t go directly to a neurologist without first seeing their primary care physician (PCPs) to obtain a referral. Dr. Beck: At which point does the PCP refer the patient to neurology? Dr. Galvin: That varies quite a bit. Some PCPs are content to diagnose, treat, and manage their patients across the spectrum of disease, others are not. Sometimes, the PCP has been successfully managing the patient, but suddenly the situation becomes more complicated, so they refer, and sometimes, the loved one or the family is simply pushing for a referral to a specialist. Dr. Beck: And so in all probability, more MCI and dementia patients are being managed by PCPs, than neurologists? Dr. Galvin: Yes, absolutely. This seems due to practice preferences and due to the sheer numbers of PCPs compared to neurologists. In some areas, the neurologist will only do the initial consultation and then send the patient back to the PCP for management. Dr. Beck: And how often do referred people come to you with a “non-normative” screening result, or a positive cognitive screening result? Dr. Galvin: That’s an interesting situation. We’ve done two different studies based on Electronic Health Records (EHRs). Turns out fewer than 25% of seniors have received their annual wellness visit, and to your specific question, actual cognitive screenings or formal diagnostic cognitive assessments are only done on some 25% of referred patients. It is possible some clinicians are doing screenings or diagnostic tests, and for some reason not reporting them, but from what we can see in the EHR, it’s a small percentage. I’d like to see more audiologists and SLPs screen and refer, that would help get the patients to their physicians much sooner for diagnosis and treatment. Dr. Beck: Any thoughts as to why the EHR numbers are so small? Dr. Galvin: Most of medicine is consumer driven. As such, the doctor doesn’t look for everything unless the patient (or family member) complains about a problem. And as you know, Doug, The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) in December of 2020 said more research is needed before they can make a recommendation to screen or not to screen for dementia. Dr. Beck: I don’t want to get political, but in 2021 they said pretty much the same thing about screening hearing loss in older adults, which is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Dr. Galvin: Yes, but they do drive and influence clinical decision making and ultimately payments and reimbursements for the same. It’s an interesting situation. Dr. Beck: Jim, I recall some 40 years ago when I was doing a pediatric rotation, a wise pediatric otolaryngologist said to the class, something like, “When the mom tells you there’s something wrong with her child, there is almost always something wrong. However, YOU (we were all graduate students) may not be smart enough to figure out what the problem is!” That certainly gave us all pause! So then, regarding MCI, dementia, and cognitive disorders, when the loved one/significant other/carer says something is wrong with mom/dad/whomever, is there usually something wrong? Dr. Galvin: Yes. Almost always. The loved-one recognizing a problem is almost always a more sensitive measure than the physician or the patient themselves recognizing the problem. The person who lives with the patient every day is going to have many more observations across more situations, and so they are more likely to see and notice the unusual activity or event, how the patient may be changing, and how that change interferes with their everyday activities. The physician is trying to make decisions based on a snapshot in time, and often the patient won’t notice a deficit as it may come on very slowly over months or years, particularly if the patient doesn’t complain about it. As I mentioned, much of practice of medicine is consumer driven. When you see your PCP, the first question the doctor asks is usually along the lines of “How have you been since your last visit?” This is the time for the patient to speak about their existing problems and bring up new ones. Dr. Beck: And the observed problems or deficits we’re speaking of are Activities of Daily Living (ADLs) such as the ability to dress, groom, bathe, drive, feed yourself, toilet yourself, things like that? Dr. Galvin: Yes. Those are some of the basic ADL concerns, but those complaints are generally associated with more advanced disease—PCPs are less likely to miss these things. In early stages, the first things that are noticed are in other complicated instrumental activities of daily living such as managing bills, checkbooks, banking, cooking, and cleaning, and using household appliances. These are all areas where deficits might appear, as the patient loses functional independence and these are often observed by the loved one first. These will not be apparent on physical exam so the PCP really needs someone to tell them about these changes—either the patient, or more commonly a family member. As ADLs become more difficult for the individual, they change from the MCI stage into the early dementia stage, as they lose functional independence, and they need other people to take care of more things. Dr. Beck: I’m curious to get your thoughts on the 12 potentially modifiable risk factors for dementia identified by Dr Livingston and colleagues in the 2020 Lancet? For those unfamiliar with the study, the report indicated that 60% of dementia risk is due to aging and DNA, and the other 40% may be due to 12 potentially modifiable risk factors; less education, untreated hypertension, untreated hearing impairment, smoking, obesity, depression, physical inactivity, diabetes, low social contact, excessive alcohol consumption, traumatic brain injury, and air pollution (https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30367-6). As most of us know, untreated hearing loss was the most significant of the potentially modifiable risk factors. However, I was surprised that untreated visual loss didn’t make the list, as there are many articles indicating that dual sensory loss (hearing and vision) can significantly impact cognitive health. Nianogo and colleagues (2022) published their review of almost 400 thousand people in JAMA (JAMA Neurol. 2022;79(6):584-591. https://doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2022.0976) in which they identified the three most prominently modifiable risk factors as midlife obesity, physical inactivity, and low education. Of course, these two studies overlap in many respects, but hearing loss didn’t show up as the largest potentially modifiable risk factor in the 2022 study, and vision wasn’t in the 2020 study. Your thoughts, please? Dr. Galvin: Those of us in academics and clinical science always must examine the literature carefully to determine which parts we embrace and which parts we may not. The two studies you mentioned are both well respected and well documented, but they have slightly different conclusions. Then again, they studied different populations at different times, in different cities and more, so I think they both have a lot of very solid take-aways. Nonetheless, there are other risk factors not on the list of 12 which are important, and there are some which are on the list that are not as important. And so all of this is useful, and it seems more than obvious that there is a connection between untreated sensorineural hearing loss and cognition. Regarding visual loss, primary retinal disease seems to potentially impact cognitive issues, but I haven’t read as much regarding front of the eye correlations (e.g., cataracts, scleritis) with cognitive issues. Yet, any sensory loss has the potential to heighten cognitive problems, even if those specific problems are not the actual cause of the cognitive problem. If you cannot see, hear, smell, taste, or feel, those sensory problems will make your overall situation worse. Dr. Beck: Thanks, Jim. I absolutely appreciate your time and vast knowledge on these issues. Let’s do this again next month and we’ll get into the pharmaceutical options recently approved by the FDA regarding realistic expectations and outcomes. Dr. Galvin: Thanks, Doug. Always nice to work with you. Thoughts on something you read here? Write to us at [email protected].
神经学,认知学,认知筛查和听力学,第1部分
欢迎来到我们新专栏的第一期,《贝克博士的观点》。道格拉斯·l·贝克博士的职业经历涵盖了听力学项目主任和兼职教授、私人诊所联合创始人、主编、社会网络内容编辑和行业制造商顾问等角色,他通过采访领先的行业专家和深入探讨听力学最重大的挑战和机遇的文章,为《听力杂志》带来了他独特的见解财富。www.shutterstock.com。贝克博士,神经学,认知学,认知筛查,詹姆斯·高尔文。詹姆斯·高尔文,医学博士,公共卫生硕士。贝克博士,神经学,认知学,认知筛查,詹姆斯·高尔文。约翰霍普金斯大学的老年人衰老和认知健康评估(ACHIEVE)研究结果最近发表在《柳叶刀》上,该研究将助听器的使用与更慢的认知衰退联系起来,这让听力学家们正在努力解决他们应该如何参与患者的认知筛查。贝克博士接受了詹姆斯·高尔文医学博士和公共卫生硕士两部分的采访,内容涉及听力学与认知关系的微妙话题。Galvin博士是亚历山大和伯纳德Schoninger记忆障碍教授,迈阿密大学米勒医学院神经病学、精神病学和行为科学教授。他是脑健康综合中心的创始主任,路易体痴呆症卓越研究中心的主任和首席研究员,以及认知神经病学部门的主任,领导脑健康和神经退行性疾病的研究和临床项目。贝克医生:早上好,吉姆。谢谢你今天和我见面。高尔文博士:嗨,道格。谢谢你邀请我。贝克博士:完全是我的荣幸!顺便说一句,我想告诉你,你和我是在2022年认识的,在我从Cognivue, Inc.的临床科学副总裁职位上退休之前。当时您是Cognivue临床顾问委员会的顾问,我一直对您对当代问题的看法非常感兴趣。在我们讨论临床问题之前,你在哪里上的医学院?高尔文博士:我上的是现在的罗格斯大学医学院,但我上学的时候,它被称为新泽西医学和牙科大学——新泽西州纽瓦克的新泽西医学院。贝克博士:由于您是迈阿密大学米勒医学院的神经病学和精神病学教授,我似乎应该问一下,您是否同时从事过神经病学和精神病学两个学科的研究?这是怎么做到的呢?加尔文博士:它的运作方式是美国精神病学委员会和神经病学委员会是两个学科的一个委员会。这可能会让人困惑,但一般来说,从业者会在一个学科上获得委员会认证,对我来说就是神经病学,尽管成员可以在神经病学或精神病学上做住院医师,或者他们可以“双重”,同时做神经精神病学,但大多数参与者都会选择一个学科。贝克博士:谢谢,吉姆。随着我们在这迷人的十年中不断进步,越来越多的听力保健专业人员(HCPs)在轻度认知障碍(MCI)和痴呆症方面向医生提出建议,并与他们合作。我们先从美国有多少神经科医生说起吧?高尔文博士:人口普查因来源而异,但我猜大约有1.4万至1.5万人,显然这远远不够!相比之下,精神病医生的数量可能是美国的五到六倍。美国国立卫生研究院(2021)报告(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7884982/),尽管神经科医生的数量因地区而异,但全国神经系统疾病的患病率仍然相当稳定,对更多神经科医生的需求不断增加。他们还注意到,由于神经科医生的数量略有增加(只有约2%的医生是神经科医生),人们对痴呆症、疼痛和中风的关注越来越多,而其他领域似乎得到的关注较少,包括帕金森病和多发性硬化症。许多受到高度关注的领域是由于寿命的延长和人口的老龄化。贝克医生:你认为为什么很少有人研究神经学?加尔文博士:我们是一群古怪的人。传统上,神经科医生是无所不知却无能为力的医生。这是一个非常“大脑”的学科,我们专注于鉴别诊断,但我们几乎没有什么治疗选择。在过去的十年里,随着对癫痫、中风、多发性硬化症、周围神经病变以及现在对阿尔茨海默病的许多令人兴奋和有效的干预,这种情况明显发生了变化。此外,神经学是一个报销相对较低的专业,所以这无助于吸引很多新人才!博士。 Beck:在那些执业的神经学家中,有多少百分比将认知、轻度认知障碍、痴呆和认知筛查作为他们的主要专业领域?加尔文博士:这些特定的领域通常被称为认知和行为神经学,正如我们刚才提到的,这些领域正在经历一些增长,但人数相对较少。贝克博士:美国听力学学会(AAA)和美国言语听力协会(ASHA)都认为认知筛查属于听力学的实践范围。因此,我很好奇你是否见过听力学家的直接转诊,或者听力学家主要是把有风险的病人转回他们的pcp ?加尔文博士:我的病人来自各种转诊来源;我的大部分转介都来自内科。我从其他神经科医生和精神科医生那里得到推荐,我想你会惊讶地发现,有多少病人只是问谷歌医生这个或那个可能是什么,或者它可能意味着什么,他们会自我推荐。正如你所预料的,我们从耳鼻喉科、神经外科、普通外科等科室获得转诊,因为他们经常发现有些地方不太对。在非内科专业中,我们也从职业和物理治疗中获得转诊。贝克医生:看来社会工作者、语言病理学家和听力学家都把他们的病人推荐给初级保健医生?高尔文医生:是的,从我的实践来看是这样。正如你所知,根据他们的保险计划的结构方式,许多患者在没有先见到他们的初级保健医生(pcp)以获得转诊的情况下,不能直接去看神经科医生。贝克医生:什么时候PCP会把病人转到神经科?加尔文博士:这有很大的不同。一些pcp满足于诊断、治疗和管理各种疾病的患者,而另一些则不然。有时,PCP已经成功地管理了病人,但突然情况变得更复杂了,所以他们转介,有时,亲人或家人只是要求转介给专家。贝克博士:所以很有可能,更多的轻度认知障碍和痴呆症患者是由pcp治疗的,而不是神经科医生?高尔文博士:是的,当然。这似乎是由于实践偏好和由于与神经科医生相比,pcp的绝对数量。在某些地区,神经科医生只会做初步咨询,然后将患者送回PCP进行管理。贝克博士:有多少被转诊的人会带着“不规范”的筛查结果或积极的认知筛查结果来找你?高尔文博士:这是一个有趣的情况。我们基于电子健康记录(EHRs)做了两项不同的研究。结果是,只有不到25%的老年人接受了年度健康检查,对于你的具体问题,只有大约25%的转诊患者接受了实际的认知筛查或正式的诊断性认知评估。有可能一些临床医生在做筛查或诊断测试,出于某种原因没有报告,但从我们在电子病历中看到的情况来看,这只是一小部分。我希望看到更多的听力学家和slp筛选和推荐,这将有助于让病人更快地找到他们的医生进行诊断和治疗。贝克博士:你认为电子病历的数量为什么这么少吗?加尔文博士:大多数药物都是由消费者驱动的。因此,除非病人(或家庭成员)抱怨某个问题,否则医生不会检查所有问题。如你所知,道格,美国预防服务工作组(USPSTF)在2020年12月表示,在他们提出筛查或不筛查痴呆症的建议之前,需要进行更多的研究。贝克博士:我不想搞政治,但在2021年,他们对筛查老年人的听力损失说了几乎相同的话,在我看来,这很荒谬。加尔文博士:是的,但他们确实会推动和影响临床决策,并最终影响医疗费用的支付和报销。这是一个有趣的情况。贝克医生:吉姆,我记得大约40年前,当我在做儿科轮转时,一位聪明的儿科耳鼻喉科医生对全班同学说,“当妈妈告诉你她的孩子有问题时,几乎总是有问题。然而,你们(我们都是研究生)可能不够聪明,无法找出问题所在!”这确实让我们都迟疑了一下!那么,关于轻度认知障碍、痴呆和认知障碍,当所爱的人/重要的人/照顾者说妈妈/爸爸/任何人有问题时,通常是有问题吗?高尔文博士:是的。几乎总是。亲人认识到问题几乎总是比医生或病人自己认识到问题更敏感的衡量标准。 每天和病人一起生活的人会在更多的情况下有更多的观察,所以他们更有可能看到和注意到不寻常的活动或事件,病人可能会发生什么变化,以及这种变化是如何影响他们的日常活动的。医生试图根据时间的快照做出决定,通常病人不会注意到缺陷,因为它可能在几个月或几年的时间里缓慢发生,特别是如果病人没有抱怨的话。正如我提到的,很多医学实践都是由消费者驱动的。当你去看PCP时,医生问的第一个问题通常是这样的:“自上次就诊以来,你感觉怎么样?”这是病人谈论他们现有问题并提出新问题的时候。贝克博士:我们所说的观察到的问题或缺陷是指日常生活活动(adl),比如穿衣、梳洗、洗澡、开车、自己吃饭、自己上厕所之类的能力?高尔文博士:是的。这些是一些基本的ADL问题,但这些抱怨通常与更晚期的疾病有关——pcp不太可能错过这些事情。在早期阶段,人们首先注意到的是日常生活中其他复杂的工具性活动,如管理账单、支票簿、银行业务、烹饪、清洁和使用家用电器。这些都是可能出现缺陷的区域,因为患者失去了功能独立性,这些通常是由所爱的人首先观察到的。这些在体检中不会很明显,所以PCP真的需要有人告诉他们这些变化——要么是病人,要么是更常见的家庭成员。随着adl对个体来说变得越来越困难,他们从轻度认知障碍阶段转变为早期痴呆阶段,因为他们失去了功能独立性,他们需要其他人来照顾更多的事情。贝克博士:我很好奇你对利文斯顿博士及其同事在2020年《柳叶刀》杂志上确定的12种潜在的可改变的痴呆症风险因素有什么看法?对于那些不熟悉这项研究的人来说,报告指出,60%的痴呆症风险是由于衰老和DNA,另外40%可能是由于12个潜在的可改变的风险因素;教育程度低、高血压未经治疗、听力障碍未经治疗、吸烟、肥胖、抑郁、缺乏体育活动、糖尿病、社会接触少、过度饮酒、创伤性脑损伤和空气污染(https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30367-6)。我们大多数人都知道,未经治疗的听力损失是最重要的潜在可改变的风险因素。然而,我感到惊讶的是,未经治疗的视力丧失没有列入名单,因为有许多文章表明,双重感觉丧失(听力和视力)会严重影响认知健康。Nianogo及其同事(2022)在JAMA (JAMA Neurol. 2022;79(6):584-591)上发表了他们对近40万人的评论。https://doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2022.0976),他们确定了三个最显著的可改变的风险因素:中年肥胖、缺乏运动和低教育。当然,这两项研究在许多方面重叠,但在2022年的研究中,听力损失并没有成为最大的潜在可改变的风险因素,而在2020年的研究中,视力也没有出现。你是怎么想的?加尔文博士:我们这些从事学术和临床科学的人总是必须仔细研究文献,以确定我们接受哪些部分,哪些部分可能不接受。你提到的两项研究都得到了很好的尊重和充分的记录,但它们的结论略有不同。不过,他们研究了不同时间、不同城市的不同人群,所以我认为他们都有很多非常可靠的结论。尽管如此,还有其他的危险因素不在这12个重要的因素之列,还有一些在这12个重要因素之列,但它们并不那么重要。所以所有这些都是有用的,而且似乎很明显,在未经治疗的感觉神经性听力损失和认知之间存在联系。关于视力丧失,原发性视网膜疾病似乎可能影响认知问题,但我还没有读到太多关于前眼与认知问题的相关性(例如,白内障、巩膜炎)。然而,任何感觉丧失都有可能加剧认知问题,即使这些具体问题并不是认知问题的实际原因。如果你看不见、听不见、闻不到、尝不到或感觉不到,这些感官问题会使你的整体情况变得更糟。贝克博士:谢谢,吉姆。我非常感谢你在这些问题上的时间和丰富的知识。让我们下个月再做一次,我们将讨论FDA最近批准的关于现实期望和结果的药物选择。高尔文博士:谢谢,道格。和你一起工作总是很愉快。你对这里读到的东西有什么想法吗?写信给我们[email protected]。
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期刊介绍: Established in 1947, The Hearing Journal (HJ) is the leading trade journal in the hearing industry, reaching more than 22,000 hearing healthcare professionals. Each month, the Journal provides readers with accurate, timely, and practical information to help them in their practices. Read HJ to find out about the latest developments in patient care, technology, practice management, and professional issues. Popular monthly features include the Cover Story, Page Ten, Nuts & Bolts, HJ Report, and the Final Word.
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